To all you New York media types scoffing at his art and calling him a rich kid:
You are not a New Yorker and you never will be and that drives you nuts because you moved here to be part of something but got rejected because you are a fucking pussy. You bloggers and magazine journalists have devoted your lives to talking about “What’s Hot” in the big city and you are all fucking homo nerds and fat spinsters who took Gender & Film in college and have been ignored by the city you thought would embrace you.
Nobody gives a fuck what you think of Dash’s art and how “inconsistent” it is. You fucking losers. What do you have to show for your time here? You did a blog and you worked at a PR firm and you wrote a magazine article once. They say those who can’t Do, Teach but you can’t even teach. You just talk about people that Do. Where’s your art? Where’s your anything?
Dash grew up with no family and raised himself from the age of 13. I’d love to see you try that for 6 months at that age you fucking wimps. You’ve never been in a fistfight. You’ve never fucked a prostitute. You’ve never been to jail. You’ve never run from the NYPD in the middle of the night. You talk about kicking drugs from a position of authority but all you know is smoking pot and watching Saturday Night Live. Fuck you. How dare you talk about death. You don’t even know how to live.
Photo from Gnarlitude.
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“How dare you talk about death. You don’t even know how to live.”
07.15.09 at 1:53 pm
Dash was like the Lower East Side’s Sprite Animal, to say that this city won’t be the same without him is a missive understatement. Rest in peace, you will be missed.
07.15.09 at 1:57 pm
long live the snowman!
07.15.09 at 1:59 pm
DANG GAV, CHILL… THAT YEYO GETTIN TO YA
07.15.09 at 2:04 pm
Dash Snow is yer know alright, i am not gonna say he’s great no matter how much supposed street cred he has.
I did wirte an artical once tho…
And i do like pot.
Oh and NY is the most boring place on earth EVER. Deal with it duuuuudes!
07.15.09 at 2:10 pm
disable and delete comments
07.15.09 at 2:11 pm
what the fuck does fucking a prostitute have to do with anything you fucking idiot?
07.15.09 at 2:12 pm
turn the comments back off.
07.15.09 at 2:19 pm
I’ve bashed Snow in hollow forums. But hey, I envy his ability to utilize on his own knot fabric, and it’s easy to expel hatred towards something you’re not. I’ve no praise for his work, but his persona is irreplaceable. Sorry for the loss, fellahs.
07.15.09 at 2:21 pm
Totally fucking gutted.
Kid was a kick in the pants for anyone who called themselves an artist.
07.15.09 at 2:25 pm
fuck i miss him so much already
07.15.09 at 2:30 pm
dash had 2 gavin stories that made me laugh so hard I barfed..
07.15.09 at 2:33 pm
last line, exactly.
07.15.09 at 2:35 pm
I feel pretty boring sitting behind a computer at a desk right now. I haven’t pissed on a cop car in years.
07.15.09 at 2:38 pm
It must really fucking suck to live in New York and have to constantly try to convince yourself and everyone else that it’s so much more fucking awesome and exclusive than where they live.
07.15.09 at 2:45 pm
The comments on most of the stories are hideous. The envy is palpable.
07.15.09 at 2:53 pm
Right, because being a druggy waste of life and having your “art” be setting shit on fire, jerking off, and being an asshole is THE REAL NEW YORK.
07.15.09 at 2:54 pm
can these comments please be turned off?
07.15.09 at 2:58 pm
New York vibe articles like these scream of “loners”. All the kids that don’t have an identity trying to copy someone elses.
“ignored by the city you thought would embrace you” reads “ignored by the cool kids”. Dash was a cool kid, Gavin just wanted to fit in with him and apparently did.
None the less, this article is highschool. Dash was a good artist and lived fast – the end.
07.15.09 at 3:00 pm
is that a fucking hamster cage party taking place in the second post?
07.15.09 at 3:02 pm
Never even met the guy, but that time seems too long ago. Fuck, part of the L.E.S. Died with him.
R.i.p.
07.15.09 at 3:03 pm
just read the first post… brilliant stuff.
07.15.09 at 3:04 pm
@you.fux & Zlur & ok so: why do people loooooove to hate on things they dont know, or things their not?
gavins bumming out cause his buddy died, have you ever lost somebody?
geeeez its called venting, it makes people feel better.
07.15.09 at 3:04 pm
Dear blam, sorry you showed up too late to the party, IOWA needs another n.y.u. Grad student. Mole home.
07.15.09 at 3:06 pm
…someone lost their life, have some fucking respect. there’s a girl without a father, a woman without a lover, one less member of a family, and friends who’ve lost a comrade. please guys. im so taken aback by the amount of negativity being thrown his way. this isn’t easy for a lot of people, and if you are that callous, then keep your fucking mouths shut. out of respect for the dude and the people that actually did care for him. come on.
07.15.09 at 3:18 pm
…^^just like SBTVC did for MJ, McMahon, Fawcett and others right?
07.15.09 at 3:23 pm
^ This is different than MJ, McMahon, and Fawcett. Snow was an important part of our community, if you can’t get that, get out.
07.15.09 at 3:30 pm
Jesus christ this shit is getting tired. This guy was a fucking loser. I’ve grown up with a handful of people that are identical to him in every way except their parents weren’t wealthy art collectors and didn’t have the means to trump up their chicken scratchings and “edgy” bullshit. Half of them are dead, just add Dash to the pile. Get out of New York for two seconds and maybe you’ll realize that none of this boring ass coke party “art” bullshit matters at all. His daughter’s better off.
07.15.09 at 3:36 pm
Dude, he was just a fucked up guy with a really interesting life, and he owned a camera. His really interesting life made his snapshots $$$$$$.
There are a few guys I know/knew that would have taken just as crazy shots with their camera. And they are mostly dead from drugs too.
Sucks he died, but drugs’ll kill ya.
07.15.09 at 3:38 pm
Looks like Gavin is in the anger stage of grief.
I tell you this, I go to SAIC and every other dude there is trying to be him.
Art matters like a motherfucker.
07.15.09 at 3:41 pm
“You’ve never fucked a prostitute. You’ve never been to jail. You’ve never run from the NYPD in the middle of the night.”
dont think i would want to. and im still living. thats some straight niggerish shit right there and that nigga gets some cred for that shit?
nah son. not to knock the kid for any of his shit but c’mon broham, you really think THATS a selling point because hes more hood than me?
nigga what?
all of the shit he was on about could be found in any hood.
but yo, rip, whatever. eat your own words man
“Fuck you. How dare you talk about death. You don’t even know how to live.”
death is a part of life.
07.15.09 at 3:42 pm
O.k…..I think i get the formula:
1. Celebrity w/ no affiliation to the L.E.S. “crew” dies = totally lambasting a motherfucker at the expense of his friends and family, and if you don’t like it, you have no sense of humor
2. Some guy you knew dies = everyone who doesn’t gouge their eyes out w/ a rusty spoon in overwhelming grief is an asshole…..and god forbid they joke about it, because having a sense of humor doesn’t apply if you’re not laughing
Is that about right?
07.15.09 at 3:42 pm
booty clap dick trigger wins.
07.15.09 at 3:47 pm
he loses a bit of “street cred” with the whole aristocrat family background though…
07.15.09 at 3:54 pm
I hope all his friends who lionized him for his drug use are totally stoked that he finally OD’d … I dont understand how “friends” like that work. Dude needed help a long time ago, maybe if he had better actual friends things would have been different. Having a junkie friend is super fucking cool until he dies.
07.15.09 at 3:54 pm
doing a line for someone who died of a drug overdose is some ignorant-type shit
07.15.09 at 3:55 pm
excuse me but wasn’t he only 27 years old? outside of rock-n-roll, artists usually peak in their 50s.
07.15.09 at 4:01 pm
“he loses a bit of “street cred” with the whole aristocrat family background though…”
not always.
money is money, money doesnt buy sense. and you have a lot of senseless mutherfucks in the world.
i still think the dude is more hood than me and I’m from the hood. I just dont get why some people intentionally place themselves in the gutter while most are trying to get out.
right, its “fun”
07.15.09 at 4:01 pm
Can we get a link to some of the dissing sose we can have clizzue what the fuck you on about?
07.15.09 at 4:04 pm
@????????!!!!!!!:
exactly.
07.15.09 at 4:06 pm
cocaine users = fake.
07.15.09 at 4:17 pm
And so the cycle begins again… boring. Move on.
All the DeMenil money could not break his habit when all the enablers were around him. Sad, but clearly expected.
07.15.09 at 4:21 pm
he told u he was hardcore
07.15.09 at 4:29 pm
Oh yesssss
07.15.09 at 4:41 pm
get over it you babies
07.15.09 at 4:47 pm
i’m an artist and i’ve had fun in the past speculating about whether his work was bullshit but it doesn’t matter. it’s hard to separate an artist’s work from their life/persona, nothing new there. i always loved klaus kinski not because he was a great actor but because he was fucking barking mad and therefore super fun to watch, there’s a million other people like that. but i’m pretty sure that all of the nasty comments come from jealousy, because this guy was obviously so loved by so many people. drugs, overdose, whatever, it’s not my place to judge anybody for their decisions. i never met him but obviously this guy was special, don’t hate. it makes you look bad, not him.
07.15.09 at 4:50 pm
c’mon, people! irak is legendary. their myth is an established cultural fact. they are all city, all country, all over the world. r.i.p., you legendary son of a gun!
07.15.09 at 4:50 pm
Jew York city is an over-hyped dump of a town and I am truthfully proud that I have no idea who this hipster fuck is and I don’t even care enough to Google his name. The guy wasn’t even 30 years old–how much of an “artist” could he be?
07.15.09 at 4:54 pm
Taking to time to fill out the comment box in order to talk shit about a man who just died (on his friend’s site no less) is the saddest thing I’ve ever seen. Dash was a legend, his memory will live forever. Ya’ll just jealous, it’s that simple
07.15.09 at 5:02 pm
? and S. r totes tied for the faggiest comment of the year award ” Snow was an important part of our community!!!!!” What, was he a fucking library?
07.15.09 at 5:02 pm
“Fuck you. How dare you talk about death. You don’t even know how to live.”
Perfect.
07.15.09 at 5:03 pm
” You don’t even know how to live” YEAH Let’s all live like this guy he oh wait.
07.15.09 at 5:04 pm
comments here and on gawker are making me homicidal. all the cheap nihilism, put-on bitterness, and midwestern housewife moral superiority is nauseating.
07.15.09 at 5:07 pm
^^^
NICE.
07.15.09 at 5:11 pm
A legendary part of your community? What? the community within which a few (1 or 2) kids make it, most fade away and a few more die in the process? oh. That’s livin!
07.15.09 at 5:15 pm
WELL ‘S.’ [IS THAT SHORT FOR SARA JESSICA PARKER?] I DEFINATELY AGREE WITH YOU, THEIR’S SO MUCH HATE ON HERE AND EVERY ONE IS JUST JEALOUSE. WELL GUESS WHAT HATER’S YOU’RE GREAT GRAND-PARENT’S DID’NT WORK AS HARD AS DASH’S GREAT GRAND-PARENT’S, WELL WHINNING ABOUT IT WO’NT DO YOU ANY GOOD, JUST BUY A TIME MACHINE AND GO BACK AND REALY CRACK THE WHIP ON THEM O.K.?? DUMB SLAVES
WELL ANY WAYS SO MANY OF YOU FAKE ARTISTS’S ARE JUST JEALOUSE BECASUE DASH’S GENIOUSE ‘GERBAL PARTY’ INVENTION ENSPIRED GEORGE W. BUSH TO GO INTO IRAK [GET THE CONNECTION NOW??], YES BUSH WAS ENSPIRED BY THE PRINCIPAL OF IT: RICH WHITE GUY MAKE A BIG PARTY AND A EVEN BIGGER MESS, THEN POOR BROWN GUY CLEAN IT UP LATER! AND THEIR’S NOTHING THEY CAN DO ABOTU IT! GOOD NIGHT
07.15.09 at 5:15 pm
survival of the fittest, dan and ryan are the talented ones
all he left behind was a fatherless child
07.15.09 at 5:28 pm
i mean, duh. such is the allure of playing with matches in the first place
07.15.09 at 5:48 pm
Since Blognigger didn’t show today is it safe to ass ume that Dash Snow was Blognigger? So much for the theory that he wasn’t a talented artist.
07.15.09 at 5:51 pm
Get the fuck over it. To everyone ‘blah blah he was so great, boo hoo’, you were the ones there sticking shit in and snorting stuff up with him. So it’s all on you.
Hey, I know, grow the fuck up and stop thinking that ‘the new york dream’ is only about a juvenile myth about stealing shit and doing drugs. How long can that really last?
07.15.09 at 6:03 pm
This is what happens when you work without a safety net.
07.15.09 at 6:18 pm
i remember reading about the how he invented this “hamster party” thing a couple years ago i thought to myself “no, that’s bullshit, i invented that over 10 years ago”. which is true, but then i saw that picture of ALL that shredded paper and thought “well, i dont think i have ever shredded THAT much paper”. that’s dedication. RIP
07.15.09 at 6:28 pm
He seems more like a cool friend and all-around interesting fun guy than an artist. I totally agree that the wannabes can eat it. Dude took some chances and made his own path in life. R.I.P.
07.15.09 at 6:32 pm
It’s no secret that Dash has been trying to get clean for a minute. Anybody who has spent any time with him recently would know that he’s cycled through cleaning up and relapsing constantly over the past few years and that that this particular stage of rehabilitation is a really precarious time for a heroin-user in recovery. Tolerance goes down and what would be a sufficient shot to get a regular-user high will cause someone using who hasn’t used in awhile to go into respiratory arrest.
Two other people I knew, Nick Traina of the punk band Link 80 and Oscar Scaggs, son of Blues artist Boz Scaggs, both SF based, died under the EXACT same circumstances in the late 90s. They cleaned up, their tolerance drastically diminished, they used, and it was that first shot that killed them. Anybody who thinks that heroin-users can just go ahead and quit are naive and would probably pay a lot of money to have dinner with Sarah Palin. The lack of compassion and understanding from the negative comments on this thread just go to show that their creators do not belong in our New York as they really don’t get it.
What needs to be understood is that its not Dash’s art that made him special, it’s Dash himself. His art was simply an extension of his personality. The fact that he could support himself through his art is a sidebar in the life and times of a wonderful example of a human being. His capacity for loving his friends was unparalleled. And he was fun. Really fucking fun. Anybody who would say otherwise is a mark and is not worth knowing. They should be working at the DMV.
Dash was alone when he died; no one spurred on his final shot. Relapsing is a very serious thing and in most cases, mine included, it is done alone and without the knowledge or approval of others. Serious drug use is a deeply private matter and the only crime in Dash’s final act is the stigma associated with drug use. Had we, as Americans, been able to find ourselves willing to accept, vote for, and pass bills sponsoring the decriminalization of drugs, an exceptional individual might still be alive today.
And for those responsible for the negative comments, from the bottom of my heart: FUCK YOU!
07.15.09 at 6:44 pm
Da na Na Na Na / Another Obit-the-dust…
07.15.09 at 6:44 pm
cuntrag deluxe: that would be funny, but what was even funnier was watching him try and work a computer. it was like he was visiting from another planet in many ways.
also, you so called experts on him, and his friends can eat a dick, we all cared and tried to help, but trying to stop that guy from doing something was like trying to stop a diesel truck with your face (which is what you people should do, you disrespectful assholes!)
07.15.09 at 6:46 pm
R.I.P. King Sacer IRAK CREW
Love and peace to EARSNOT, BEN KING S0L0M0N ones, and Dash’s surviving family and friends.
IRAK was the next generation from me – theirs was the first graffiti that ever made me feel old. A terrible loss to NYC. Massive ups and respect. Rest in Peace.
07.15.09 at 6:49 pm
thanks Delanoche, you rule
07.15.09 at 6:50 pm
his graffiti looked the exact same as a million other losers’ and he died the exact same way as a million other losers
but i heard he was a really great friend, just ask his girlfriend who gets to raise some kid that’s not even hers so she can keep a chunk of his change
rip one of a kind dash snow 1981 – 2009
07.15.09 at 6:51 pm
I dont live in new york anymore for this reason exactly. the city is full of shit and easy vices.
i live in kansas city now and i am proud to say that i was 2 hours late to work one day because i was doing jazz all night at dash’s ridiculous apartment with nico, kenji and nick. what a night. dash was such a nice dude. people will talk shit becase HE WAS THE SHIT. he will be missed forever. i bet most of you dicks dont even know what his graffiti name was.
07.15.09 at 6:55 pm
@Delanoche – most thoughtful rebutall ever – thank.
to the haters – you fail @ life – go fuck yourselves.
SACE RIP
07.15.09 at 6:57 pm
his death was the first i’ve heard of him… seems like a lot of people really dug this dude’s message so R.I.P. keep the negativity away! y’all just jealous that this dude’s death has put his art and life above yours.
07.15.09 at 6:57 pm
yeah, I don’t understand why all of you people that didn’t know him can hate him so much. because trust me, if you knew him, you wouldn’t hate him, it’s impossible to hate that guy, he’s too sweet and fun. the guy died, stop talking shit.
07.15.09 at 6:58 pm
delanoche..
thank you.
07.15.09 at 7:01 pm
This thread’s about as cool as the Missbehave Magazine is closing thread, which is to say not at all. It’s fairly entertaining, but definitely not cool.
07.15.09 at 7:12 pm
whatever
07.15.09 at 7:17 pm
moreover, Good. just another dead junkie … GOONIES NEVER SAY DIE! what a loser.
07.15.09 at 7:22 pm
finally,
right now there is a 13 year kid who just stepped out of port authority and has a polaroid camera … he will be missed like anyone else in new york, by friends and family only. He has already been replaced … like or not, he was nothing special in the whole scheme of things.
07.15.09 at 7:30 pm
disregard that, I suck cocks
07.15.09 at 7:36 pm
IRAK!!!
R.I.P SACE
those with negative comments are clueless and/or just retarded haters, SO basically FUCK YOU RETARDS!!!
IRAK changed NYC Graffiti from the stale shit fest that crawled out of the rotting corpse of the golden age into something exciting and worth giving a shit about again.
ultimate respect due
07.15.09 at 7:55 pm
Good god it’s a lot of work sorting through your trash (what you people refer to as “comments”), but they make clear who’s from the City and who isn’t.
07.15.09 at 8:15 pm
yeah, anyone into hero worship is not from my hometown (Brooklyn) … thus not really from new york.
the art world doesn’t move forward because of hero worship anyway … its just a cool way to get laid and drop names that have some temporary contextual importance.
Anyway, I’m Irish … celebrate this bastard don’t moan and wear black you lame f*gg*ts.
07.15.09 at 8:21 pm
Sorry about your friend.
07.15.09 at 8:22 pm
Come on! I’m doing a line in memory of Dash for every comment. Bring it motherfuckers!
07.15.09 at 8:37 pm
I know the SC comments section is usually like the wall in a bar’s bathroom and all, but to all the people leaving shitty comments: WTF? do you also like pushing old ladies down the stairs and punching babies?
07.15.09 at 8:43 pm
sucks.
dude made some cool things, and seemed like a fun dude.
07.15.09 at 9:05 pm
FUCK YOU GAVIN you’re just sad that the fucking retarded hipster lifestyle has claimed yet another of your lame “artist” friends. who only called himself an artist because HE COULDN’T DO ANYTHING other than drink and get fucked up. you’re both idiots
07.15.09 at 9:26 pm
Never heard of him.
07.15.09 at 9:32 pm
me either…
07.15.09 at 10:19 pm
i dont see the difference between dead guy and MJ. too bad mcginley and colen didnt get too cash in before he croked.
07.15.09 at 10:24 pm
Dash epitomized the addage “nothing is true everything is permitted” something that the legitimate lifers are all striving for yet almost all of us fall very short of. He was the precedent, a beacon. All of you haters and lovers are all alike…throw your computer out the window and relax….then panic. Thanks Gavin
07.15.09 at 10:55 pm
@ Delanoche
“What needs to be understood is that its not Dash’s art that made him special, it’s Dash himself.”
Yes. This is what I was trying to say. This so-called art world phase that Gawker commenters and angry midwestern teens are talking about was a blip in his life. The Guardian loves him because they idolize New York. The NYT loves his family tree. The NY Post wants you to know he liked the NY Post. Al these little obsessions are tiny, tiny parts of his life. His Polaroids ALONE are more than you could ever possibly put together. Try it. I couldn’t. He didn’t go to art school hoping to make it one day as the new Basquiat. People basically asked him for art because his friends were doing it so he took a crap on the NY Post and said, “Here.”
I’ve been wasted for two days and getting condolences from people about my close pal. I feel guilty because he was not my close pal. I hung out with him maybe a dozen times from 2000 to 2005 and saw him sporadically after we both became dads. To me it’s not about “my pal” but what Dash represented: youth and carpe diem and all that great New York shit. I see it in the Newmore Switchblades and it makes me happy to be alive.
I wish the critics had effective mirrors and saw how unqualified they are. I’m all for championing the underdog. I grew up in Ottawa for fuckssakes and we laughed at how big American cities thought they were special. The thing is, if you wanted to see what parts of New York WERE actually worth the hype, Dash was standing in the middle of it, smiling his head off. He wasn’t a Vincent Gallo egomaniac cool guy. He was like a friendly rat saying, “Hey, did you ever see this?”
He’d tell you your fly was down.
I don’t know. I’m still wasted. You get mad when your dad doesn’t give you a high five for some gay play you wrote. He never had a dad. He made a million mistakes and that was kind of the whole gig. The Mistakers. That’s what it’s all about.
If he had just continued to this next phase: The Fatherhood phase. He would see how much fun life can be and how trivial all the shit in the previous phases are. If you are a young wastoid who sees this as all there is please now there is a whole other UNIVERSE out there after you cum in a girl. The previous shit isn’t irrelevant. It’s part of the whole process. But the next part rules…
07.15.09 at 11:03 pm
eventually you have to stop pretending you’re not responsible for anything because at the least you’re responsible for your body because if you’re not, you die.
07.15.09 at 11:18 pm
HAHAHA. Three fucking obit posts on the same site. Sorry, but in the guy’s a legend. I went to the show in Berlin in 2007 and for junkie he had fucking impressive work rate – there was a shitload of stuff. And over 80% of it was better than most of the shit that gets passed off as art today. In three mediums, too: photography, sculpture and collage. Not to mention he was still getting fame doing graffiti. And not the gay doing a commission for Nike bullshit. Proper outlaw, derelict doing it for the fame and thrill getting up shit. Dash Snow saw beauty in diamonds and dogshit equally. And the best thing is, he really couldn’t give a ratfuck if you liked it or not. Sorry, but Gavin nailed it. All you shit talkers are gay gay gay in the worst possible way. His fucking friend died, you can’t let people badmouth. Period. I have know idea whether he was a trust fund kid or not, but if I came from a rich family I’d do exactly what he did. Fatal score aside, it was $$ well spent
07.15.09 at 11:24 pm
Leaving a little girl behind like that is a such a shame, confusion will kill you more than boredom or art will. The next phase you talk about (Fatherhood) is supposed to be heaven , so my friends faces say anyway.
07.15.09 at 11:29 pm
The question is, who will be remembered more: Dash Snow (1981-2009), or (1955-1979)?
07.15.09 at 11:46 pm
It should say: “or [ ------------ ]“
07.15.09 at 11:48 pm
Delanoche killed it and Gavin grilled it.
I’m in fucking florida right now and I feel a major part of N.Y.C. is dead. Dude was all that and it’s just a shame.
07.15.09 at 11:52 pm
WTF? yea, great, have a gorgeous baby, then what? kill yourself?
good advice bro.
07.15.09 at 11:54 pm
How can people be so bitter about a guy who inspired so many others?
Throw on ARE’s “Don’t Be Scared” (it always seemed to me to be an anthem for IRAK) and look through his Polaroids on tinyvices or go watch some old Kid America episodes and see that he was a muse for so many.
07.16.09 at 12:15 am
Gavin is admirable.
07.16.09 at 12:17 am
you guessed it…too long.
07.16.09 at 12:35 am
God, you’re all fucking MISERABLE.
07.16.09 at 12:40 am
Yeah, Dash was great, and I think anyone who he would have cared to be respected by, already does. He doesn’t really need to be defended, especially in such in unkind way. Nice of you to care so much about an acquaintance, but this post was a bit too harsh and over the top in my opinion.
07.16.09 at 12:54 am
someone’s grumpy. Dash was an okay artist. He seemed like a cooler guy than he was an artist but I didn’t know him so idk. gavin why are you having such a temper tantrum? You sound like a popular girl in high school or some shit.
07.16.09 at 1:04 am
continuation of Gavin’s comment: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200906/happiness
07.16.09 at 1:05 am
“How can people be so bitter about a guy who inspired so many others?
Throw on ARE’s “Don’t Be Scared” (it always seemed to me to be an anthem for IRAK) and look through his Polaroids on tinyvices or go watch some old Kid America episodes and see that he was a muse for so many.”
So true! That song was epic. and so was dash.
07.16.09 at 1:19 am
I told my dad he was an idiot as soon as I was old enough to have a brain. I told him he didn’t understand the working man and Communism was the only system that cared about the Proletariat. My dad grew up in the Gorbals of Glasgow and worked his fucking ass off every day of his life. He fought so many fights the nigga looks like KRS-One. His father began the Glasgow paper unions that were so pro-working class they actually killed the industry.
Despite all these 18 year-old, juvenile rantings he was always there for me. When I was arrested for drunk driving, he kicked my ass but drove me to court and sat there with the lawyers trying figure out a scam. That was 18. What about 13? At 13 I was listening to Motley Crue on my BMX and writing notes to girls. What if you had been on your own since then? I ran into Dash recently when he lived with Dan and he brought me upstairs to some late-night stupid party at his house. Dash’s dad was there doing lines with the rest of us. How sad. Dan was dancing with some sweaty 10 and Dash was making great jokes and showing people shit. His dad was squinting and being high.I hope he was wondering what the fuck happened.
Take 13 year-old you and stick him in an apartment forever. What did you make of it?
07.16.09 at 1:28 am
I’m sorry for the loss of your friend. In honor of his passing, I will contemplate swiping three (3) North Face jackets from a local clothing shoppe.
07.16.09 at 1:28 am
Dude was one of a kind.
who cares what some reject haters say.
Rest In Paradise.
07.16.09 at 2:04 am
mucho commento. N Gav n co. , if u really gave a shit about this guy u never would have posted anything on here about him.N jumping in here n trying to defend his ghost via comments is like the mom who goes to school to tell all the other kids not to make fun of jimmy cuz it makes him cry: counter.productive. but hey u got a shit ton o page views so props 4 makin paper, son.
07.16.09 at 2:44 am
PARTY!
07.16.09 at 2:46 am
Hey Delanoche,
I was friends with Nick Traina too. I actually used to play with Link 80 when the drummer couldn’t make it to shows. It’s a mixed blessing that he died ‘pre-internet’ because motherfuckers didn’t have a chance to talk shit online.
The photo of the guy snorting coke off that dude’s cock is fucking amazing. I’ve joked about stuff like that with my friends, but to ACTUALLY see someone do it…holy shit.
07.16.09 at 2:50 am
just because you embrace someone, doesn’t make you part of the scene. Create your scene, even in New York City … the Ramones did it … its part of our tradition. Create your own scene … don’t just sing the praises of someone because you don’t feel important now … work at it … you can be as amazing as anyone else if you work hard enough and live enough.
If anything Dash Snow showed us that time and time again.
07.16.09 at 2:58 am
R.I.P. Only the good die young
07.16.09 at 3:02 am
Dash Snow dying is sad, but it’s hard not to agree that he brought it completely on himself. I am envious of his reckless ways and cool guy lifestyle, agreed. My problem with him being lionized isn’t a knock on his personality. Obviously he seems like a good guy. But what did he really contribute to society, besides some shock value art and good party spirit? I have much more respect for people who die young in the course of helping others or doing something of value, like combat journalists or soldiers. Dash seemed awesome, i wish i could have been friends with him, but his unabashed hedonism doesn’t make him a hero, just someone cool. And the same cool guy reckless attitude everyone is celebrating him for? That’s what got him killed. Look back at Blogn’s post about kurt cobain…it’s good writing on the subject of artists (even though, like i said, i dont respect dash’s work) dying young and selfishly.
07.16.09 at 5:05 am
This dude is cool. This crew’s rebelliousness has emanated throughout manhattan for the last decade. To say this hasn’t had it’s effect on the world would be a lie. Look at hipsters in Mexico city, LA, and 18 year old art students in London putting on the same New York style.
The elusive little dreams in these polaroids have always been what I wanted my life to be like. I don’t do drugs, and maybe you can’t get two 10s into a late night threesome without them, but if anyone was cool enough to make that happen it seems like this guy was.
New York is a brutal city for sensitive people. People are fucking assholes. The world is fucked up. There are tons of rich kids out there without one iota of the taste, character, balls, and dare I say talent of Dash Snow. Nobody is perfect. Don’t do heroin, don’t do coke. Hard drugs will probably fuck you up.
07.16.09 at 5:27 am
It’s true. I’m bitter and jealous, because I was born in the wrong place at the wrong time, and more importantly to the wrong parents, and that I don’t have my creative flatulence celebrated as a result. I’m sorry that your friend died, but cannot feel sympathy, for those who have the luxury to “live” with a safety net, only to meet their end at the hands of their own indulgence. And all the fan-boys who didn’t even know the guy, who will probably tell me I’m an asshole can fuck off too, you shouldn’t care as much as you do, and I find the hypocritical selectiveness of what’s off limits, with regards to people who die, quite abominable, that because he was “one of us” he’s above criticism, while you deride others who have met similarly pitiful ends.
How dare you tell me I don’t know how to live, when my only concern is to survive.
07.16.09 at 5:40 am
how can anyone actually try to analyze someone’s death into a situation where they’re a) glad they’re dead or b)they deserved to die. do you even realize how callous and heartless that is? this is just proof that people will talk shit about anything given the chance. you didn’t agree with him morally? who the fuck cares? the man’s dead!
07.16.09 at 7:57 am
To all you New York media types, you are not a New Yorker and you never will be. You are all fucking homo nerds who took Gender & Film in college. Nobody gives a fuck what you think of Dash’s art. You fucking losers. Dash grew up with no family and raised himself you fucking wimps. You’ve never been in a fistfight. Fuck you.
07.16.09 at 8:01 am
it’s like, ya’ll are getting hyphy because there are people out there who liked him.
Why are you getting mad because people liked his shit?
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?
Nobody’s saying Snow was a fucking saint, but goddanmit, just chill the fuck out for a second.
Worst part is, he undoubtedly didn’t give a shit if you thought he was a loser or not.
You think he cares now?
Go back to fucking your midwives, and inspecting condoms, you fucking mormons.
FUUUCCCKKK ALL OF YOU.
07.16.09 at 8:03 am
yo gay boy weren’t you the one with 2000$ a month from his mom.
you see it is easy to see what a pussy you are. Why do you assume that this is about you . You don’t even exist, no one would know who the FUCK are you if your mom didn’t get angry at you and wrote you a letter.
07.16.09 at 8:10 am
and pls someone, delete all this comments there is no need for that. no one needs to read all this pathetic bullshit. this time is not about Sarha Pailn. It is about someone pure and important.
Pls disable the comments, please.
07.16.09 at 8:17 am
It doesn’t matter whether he was a great artist or a rich douche. Someone is dead. His friends have the right to talk about it in whatever format they feel comfortable with without getting shit on. Place some value on a human life.
And stop shoving people on the train. NY isn’t what you think it is, you heartless assholes.
07.16.09 at 8:52 am
Seriously, close the comments.
07.16.09 at 9:08 am
Gavin, your @delanoche comment is what you should have written on the blog post in the first place. It’s a much more intelligent defense.
07.16.09 at 10:42 am
Well Gavin you are right about Dash – but you aren’t from NY either – so shut the fuck up, bitch.And I thought you don’t like rich kids painting graffiti? You hypocrite!!!! I heard that Claw and her man are gonna slap the shit out of you……. And I can’t wait!
07.16.09 at 10:51 am
Moscow whips NYC ass – no doubt, but who cares.
I did not contribute to the aforementioned comments taking my name in vain.
Public mourning is weird, verbalising = trivialising in so many instances. The internet is an even stranger place to host the wake. A symbol would be a more fitting tribute in the immediate aftermath of the event; shutdown the blog for the day, wear black for a year, this is not the medium to show your love and respect for a person recently deceased.
Are you speaking for those who can’t? Because there is a reason they can’t so soon. It seems like you’re capitalising in the only way the media knows how. The first one’s on the scene . . . But he was one of us, one of you, and it’s you’re due, our due, to tell the world what this man meant to us. But if this is true it could have waited. Has his family spoken, only his friends? My lips would be sealed, I would not utter his name. The Aborigine’s of Australia follow this practice, the Jew rips at the heart of his shirt. We post BLOGS
07.16.09 at 12:07 pm
Gavin, like everyone else, thinks someone like this dead guy is a complete douche UNLESS they’re friends w/ him. Actually, it doesn’t even seem like they were friends. That aside, this was a rich kid who was afforded the chance to live any way he wanted, and he chose “hipster drug addict”. Oh well. Would it have been better if he chose “serious artist”, or “dad”? Fact is, no one should give a shit unless they knew him….although SC has to be willing to take some shit since they have a sense of humor about everything else
07.16.09 at 12:15 pm
Gavin Hater Says:
07.16.09 at 10:51 am
Well Gavin you are right about Dash – but you aren’t from NY either – so shut the fuck up, bitch.And I thought you don’t like rich kids painting graffiti? You hypocrite!!!! I heard that Claw and her man are gonna slap the shit out of you……. And I can’t wait!
Claw is a fat sow, and so is her pot-head shit for brains husband. I would LOVE to see him try and fight gavin. He would probs have a heart attack.
07.16.09 at 12:25 pm
Gavin is a douche bag! Die bitch!
07.16.09 at 12:45 pm
Oh man, I’m glad I can say I’ve done everything on Gavin’s cool guy list.
07.16.09 at 1:55 pm
What about those of us who don’t give a fuck about New York or Dash Snow? Why should we?
07.16.09 at 1:59 pm
I hope this whole hipster nihilism Vice magazine thing dies with him.
07.16.09 at 2:03 pm
Gavin and all you sorry mourners. Eat a bag of dicks. Dash snow was a trust fund baby and a junkie. His art sucked. Who cares that he got the idea to tear up phone books and have group sex in the mess? also, enough with your holier than thou new york city street cred credo. I’m glad he died. Why is it such a fucking shock.? If you live hard you die hard. Nephew of Uma Thurman, Grandson of Robert Thurman and rich fucking trust fund baby of the de Menil fortune. If he didn’t have these connections he’d be just another hit and run no one would give fuck. He’d be another talentless hack but because he is related to these rich fuckers that is the only reason you care oh and you once shared a rail or two at a party. Gavin why don’t you you do too much heroin and do us all a favor. Fuck you. Fuck your wife. Fuck you stupid bratty kids and your loft paid for by Viacomm/VBS. I hope this makes you angrier and I curse you and all your junkie talentless friends.
07.16.09 at 2:11 pm
hey Pauwee
If youre gonna scream, scream with me
Moments like this never last
When do creatures rape your face
Hybrids
opened up the door
Ooh baby when you cry
Your face is momentary
You hide your looks behind these scars
In hybrid moments
Give me a moment
Give me a moment
Give me a moment
Ooh baby when you cry
Your face is momentary
You hide your looks behind these scars
In hybrid moments
In hybrid moments
In hybrid moments
In hybrid moments
Give me a moment
Give me a moment
07.16.09 at 3:05 pm
here is another gayness from Canada http://www.nowtoronto.com/daily/story.cfm?content=170393
it is really offensive how his life, personality and art are overlooked on the premises that he was simply a rich kid with a drug problem.
there a lot of drug addicts and a lot of rich kids out there and very few of them had made so many genuine friends, had lead such an intresting lives, had produced such an impressive oeuvre.
07.16.09 at 3:20 pm
cheers $#%^&!
07.16.09 at 4:31 pm
Snorting a rail off a black man’s cock is pure fucking genius. That is probably one of the most hardcore things I’ve ever seen in my life. I dare any of you guys to top that.
I love you Gavin, despite what all these motherfuckers have to say, you are the fucking man.
07.16.09 at 6:12 pm
He should’ve gone for a soda
07.16.09 at 6:37 pm
if dash was alive, would you blow coke off of his dick, or just keep sucking it?
07.16.09 at 6:52 pm
@ Cheesebottoms: Funny that you would take Joey Bustos’ place when he was too fucked up to play. Last time I saw him his blacked-out, hammered wife, my drunk wife, and my wasted ass got in her station wagon and tracked him down at a gay bar in the Castro. I guess he figured it was the best place to get blow at 2AM outside of going up to some random dude on D-block in the
Western Addition. He was in the bathroom with six dudes. It’s sad that he chose doing blow with a bunch of homosexual strangers over going home with his wife and driving his kids to school in the morning.
@ Gav: I’ve been depressed and drunk and couldn’t really find it in me to continue writing yesterday evening. The very talented and very disturbed writer Max Leavitt stopped taking his medication three weeks ago and decided he would hang himself, completely shattering his close-knit family and leaving a very needy little brother. Dash’s departure leaves the tally for the lunar month at two. Fuck.
Although I wasn’t particularly close with Dash and have only hung tough with him maybe a dozen times, I never found his drug use to be particularly bad. In fact, at the time, it seemed perfectly normal. In the end, HH or C**po(who needs help) seemed way more discombobulated than Dash at any given moment.
For people to say that his friends didn’t do anything or were required to really upsets me. Many of them did do something and, more importantly, it’s not there fucking responsibility. In my opinion, the most you can do for someone in need without overtly intervening- which isn’t the easiest thing to do when one might dabble themselves- is make yourself available. I think it’s safe to say that all those really tight with Dash made themselves really fucking available.
I was talking with Filipo the other day and he was remarking about how heroin was a thing back when IRAK linked up in the late-90s. It said that the drug’s use was relatively common amongst them and that some of them were using it often. With respect to their privacy, heroin use was not unique to Dash amongst his peers and more few of his close friends are either heroin users or in recovery. As any habitual user can attest to, when you regularly use a given drug other people who use it regularly are the norm. This applies to weed, psychedelics, heroin, coke, meth, or whatever.
When I was snorting – and in the end, eating off my floor- from a half-gram to a gram of coke a day, I would only really want to hang out with other cokeheads. I’m not talking about the casual users who go for a “bit of charlie” now and again; I’m referring to the shades closed, paranoid, chain smoking, endlessly plotting fiends that many of us become for something or another at some point in our lives. I really knew I was in the zone when I would get so high I couldn’t speak. When I had to hang out with an old friend for a beer, was dead broke, or was in some weird part of the world where I couldn’t gain easy access to cocaine, I was bored out of mine. I would have rather been alone in an empty room with a chair and pack of reds than have to spend time with my friends who weren’t really into drugs. For me, I was much more comfortable around my kind.
I wish coke settled well with me. It doesn’t. I wish I could I’d do lots of it. I can’t.
I guess what I am trying to say is that to many of Dash’s peers, his use might have seemed perfectly normal. Although there are some people who made serious efforts to “fix” Dash, and my respect goes to them, many of those who found themselves close to Dash have their own set of substance issues to deal with. I don’t think Dash’s use of drugs was the exception amongst his friends; as anyone who had the pleasure of spending time with him, it was very normal.
I can’t write anymore about this.
07.16.09 at 8:09 pm
In a really weird way it seems like a lot of what Vice was, and what Gavin was, and is, makes sense now.
I never knew about this guy, or who he was, or what he represented. But going over it now, it seems like none of this would have existed without him. When Gavin says that Vice wouldn’t have existed without him, in a roundabout way, for some reason I completely buy it.
The thing that goes through my head is what if it didn’t happen? What if he didn’t OD, and lived through it, and grew old and had to deal with greying hair and Alzheimer’s and panic attacks, and all of those other fun things? I mean, I’m all for martyrs – they make for much better made for TV movies…
The truth is if you’re looking for someone to represent 2000-2010, not just New York, but AMERICA, this would be it. Too far, too much, too fast, too soon.
Too bad.
07.16.09 at 9:57 pm
Thanks dude. I met him in ‘07 and immediately fell into a bromance with the kid. I felt privileged to get drunk with him a few times. Once I turned him on to Jim Thompson, assuming he would forget about it. A month later he had already read The Killer Inside Me and was ready to discuss it over a case of Bud. No one like him.
07.16.09 at 10:47 pm
I am sure you would be thrilled if someone lit your RangeRover on fire, Gavin.
07.16.09 at 11:59 pm
i’m sure that this comment will be overlooked but i felt compelled to write it. i didn’t know about dash snow until he died. reading about how he partied, his crazy antics, made me really think about what i was doing with my life and regret all the time i’ve been wasting on bullshit and not living my life.
why am i not starting havoc with my friends? why am i content with going to house parties bored as shit? all this coverage of dash snow’s death showed me that i need to have fucking fun.
thank you for writing about dash. i’m sorry that you are mourning his death.
07.17.09 at 12:28 am
Gavin is the Malcom McLaren of the hip set then, stoking the flames of mythology, so as to claim his communities name amongst the annals of NYC avant-gardism.
These guys are no Beats, New York School, Factory louse abouts, or the embodiment of Sonic Youth – that mantel and era has already been taken and defined.
You my dears, are Hipster 2.0, Hipster Redux – Welcome to the pantheon of NYC Legends . . . always knew you would get there in the end xx
Rebel Rebel Yell Yell
07.17.09 at 12:58 am
that dash fellow was a pussy
07.17.09 at 9:41 am
baby nuts, you are missing the whole point. he wasn’t starting fires to “have fun” he was doing it just cause he was that crazy. his willingness to push experience to the extreme refusing to fall in the safety net of culture or society. Even the “mature decisions” that he made in his later life were extreme. How many of you fags are willing to become a father at 25, most of you are even afraid of commitment to a girl at that age.
That is why it is so retarded and offensive when people, that just heard about him, label him a rich kid. He was born to money, so what. Do you think he was sitting on a hefty allowance at some rich kids art school, getting high and crashing at his grandmother pad when his money ran off. Look at his Polaroids, he was down with the thick of it since he was 15, in the gutter, like a fucking rat. All the drugs and vandalism were consequential and not what is defying him.
Find soemthing else in Dash Snow’s legacy to be inspired from.
PS: I never knew him so everything I said is completely subjective, I might be wrong.
07.17.09 at 10:02 am
oppps * defining him
07.17.09 at 10:06 am
$#%^& and babynuts:
kill yourselves you both fail
07.17.09 at 10:25 pm
Oh wait Dash Snow’s dead?
So’s MJ!
Fuck me, people dyin’ left right and center…Like RIP Mr Snow.
07.18.09 at 9:53 am
“Maybe art can still be all-encompassing, with your art being your life. I certainly see this in your life and work, Dash.” – AA Bronson
what he had can’t be bought or sold
your bitterness and jealousy is palpable
07.18.09 at 1:03 pm
The lives we lead are so easy to glamorize by our put together friends. And easier to vindicate under the guise of being rebellious. I figure Sace tapped into that by disconnecting as much as he tried to.
Graffiti has always been a joke. To those that have given their lives to it, the irony is insufferable. KUK, PCF, PVC, GTB, CMA.. It’s all the same. We all hate ourselves and wished we’d amounted to something else. We’re not rebels, we’re not meant to be lauded. We all thought we had something to prove, when the simple fact is, we knew we aren’t shit, he knew he wasn’t shit, and what most of us fail to see is that everyone else knows it too. Cut deck, fistfights, dirty fucks and lockup are not fucking badges of glory. They’re fucking wastes of time. Propagated by bullshit like yours Gavin. Where would your fucking shit be without us. No one will learn from this. Just like we didn’t with Semz.
There is no glory here. There is no respect here. Graffiti is a hole. Sace fell in it a long time ago. He isn’t really dead to me, he’s just another fucking waste of paint, fading on a box or a fucking air conditioner.
RIP Sace.
07.18.09 at 8:36 pm
I’ve been out of town for awhile. So, forgive me. I don’t know who Dash Snow is (or was I should say), I also don’t know why Gavin seems so huffy. BUT FOR THE RECORD… I have been with a prostitute. Just wanted to clear that up.
07.20.09 at 9:54 am
“I guess it started with coke and then everyone went broke, and so what
are you going to do?” says Gavin McInnes, co-founder of Vice, the
magazine of record for L-train riders. He’s seen crack become trendy;
he’s even smoked the stuff himself — you can buy it near his office,
which is in a Puerto Rican part of the neighborhood. “Native
Williamsburgers can handle it,” he says. “But then you have rich kids
who dive right in. They are going to ruin their lives.”
he was more rich kid than native Williamsburger, I guess ;_;
07.20.09 at 3:37 pm
ditto @ FUCK THIS SHIT to infinity
please close this post
07.20.09 at 4:17 pm
Ughhhh…no more!
07.24.09 at 10:04 am
Infinite
07.24.09 at 12:12 pm
dash’s legacy is “he was a really good friend-of-a-friend,” and his death will never be a funny punchline.
everything involved with this post (including this comment) is self-aggrandizing, and pathetic.
07.27.09 at 4:36 am