Early in June of this year, a 47-year-old woman asked two twenty-something bloggers to be on a fledgling talk show called “Thinking and Drinking.” The girls are very popular bloggers and the live talk show was in desperate need of a boost.
So, after plying Moe Tkacik and Tracie Egan with booze and bating them with a few incindiery questions, host Lizz Winstead encouraged them to say “Something outrageous” a la Bill Grundy. Tracie claimed she hadn’t been raped because, ” I think it has to do with the fact that I am like, smart.” Moe then raised the bar by adding she was raped but still “felt safe around the guy,” even today.
Then the shit hit the fan. For two months the girls were quoted on everything from the Huffington Post to the New Republic and ridiculed for being stupid sluts that set their gender back two generations. Cartoons were made. Editorials ranted. And ranted. And ranted. But the girls never got to say their side. As we stared at this digital fecal spray we noticed it smelled curiously fishy. Tracie ran Bust Magazine for 6 years and Moe is one of the only true intellectuals in the gossip blog scene. Do they really think rape is no big whup? And why was everyone (including the host) lynching them for being drunk on a show with “Drinking” in the title? Now that the dust has settled and their bosses have finally allowed them to do interviews (sort of), we sat down with Tracie for a Street Carnage exclusive on the biggest feminist controversy of the summer.
Ed note: Tracie refused to do the interview in any other format but email because she is, “Sick of being misquoted.”
Street Carnage: It seems weird to see you two portrayed as these naïve valley girls who think “Like, rape is sooo last year.” Because your canon is pretty much the opposite.
Tracie Egan: As corny as it sounds, I’ve been a “professional feminist” for my entire career. I think about this shit for a living. If I sounded flippant, it was because maybe I am sorta over it. Feminists have built date rape up to being like the most detrimental thing that can happen to a woman. But let’s face it, it’s not. Bad? Yes. The worst? No.
Do you think you guys were framed?
Yes.
Tell me how. Let’s start at the beginning. Everyone seemed annoyed at how wasted you were. They claim you showed up drunk to an intellectual debate about women’s issues.
1- It is NOT an intellectual show. It’s supposed to be a comedy show. I guess people get confused on that, because it wasn’t really funny.
2- We went straight from work to the show. Sober. When we got there they filled our hands with drinks. They TOLD us to get loaded. I don’t need much encouragment though. Before Moe was done with her first Bud they put another beer in her hand. We did what any good guest does—we went along for the ride.
3- The interviewer was drinking, too, BTW. And if any of the bloggers who were smearing us had done their research, they’d see she’s notorious for getting plastered at inappropriate times. For example…
Here she is, drinking and “apologizing” to some college for canceling a show.
Here she is being a complete mess on C-Span. What’s in that glass?
I hear Moe quit over this whole thing and I saw Radar announce her as their new blog lady but now she’s back with Gawker. What happened there?
I think this whole bag of bullshit was maybe the impetus for her finally deciding to leave. I can’t speak for her, but I definitely was being censored after all of this, and it wasn’t great for morale. This is the first interview they’ve let us do and they didn’t even let us.
After Moe “left” she met with the higher ups at gawker and they convinced her to stay in the company. She’s just not gonna be writing for Jezebel anymore.
It’s like when Malcom X said, “In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.”
That was Martin Luther King actually.
Oh yeah. So, speaking of enemies, what was Winstead’s motive to make you guys looks so bad?
Well, there are two reasons I think. The first one is that she feels irrelevant and out of touch with a younger audience and resents us for being relevant and in touch. She has a weekly theater show in some basement that seats like maybe 50 people; we write for a site that 500,000 people read daily. Check out what she just said to the LA Times: “You know what, they are provocateurs – and that’s fantastic. But if they are so am I! I think people are forgetting that I’m out there too doing that.”
She wasn’t mad about us being “bad influences.” She was mad about us being influences at all because she wants to influence young people. Sorry, young people want to hear from their peers, not their moms.
There was a moment where Lizz totally turned on us and it was right around the part where Moe and I were discussing Nicole and Joel and how they wore Obama shirts to Coachella. She said, “I have no fucking idea what you’re talking about.”
Soon after, I made the mistake of saying a lot of 50-year-olds are too old to really “get” the internet and then things really went sour. The funniest part is, she posted her slam on us on July 4th. Every blogger knows that is the least checked day of the year.
The other reason I think she did this is, she has been complaining lately about how she really needs funding for this theater project of hers. I think she saw this as a way to wrangle up some press for herself.
OK but what about those things you said? Those look pretty tough to defend in any context.
BULL FUCKING SHIT. I haven’t been DATE raped (not alleyway with a ski mask raped – we weren’t talking about that) because I’m intuitive about that shit. Lizz cut out the part where I said I don’t go home with guys I’m not prepared to sleep with. I think it’s too risky. That’s a pretty big detail to leave out.
Hold on, so by leaving out the part where you said you don’t go home with guys you’re not going to fuck she was actually leaving out a detail that could help protect women.
Exactly. That’s the irony of all this. I said I’m street smart about rape and gave an example how I avoid it. She left out the second part which is what made me look so flippant. And that detail is what has prevented me from getting date raped!!!
So she’s the sexist in a sense.
Yes. Also, because I’m kinda sexually liberated, people are always throwing that rape shit in my face, to try to keep me in check, to remind me that I shouldn’t be so casual about sex. Of course, it’s still OK if men fuck whomever they want.
Do you at least agree you sound kind of dumb in those quotes?
Look asshole, I’ve done tons of interviews with people and transcribed the conversation for print. Everyone speaks with “ums” and “likes” and “know what I’m sayin’.” And every print journalist knows this. I always edited that shit out, because the only reason to leave it in would be to make someone look bad.
So you don’t think you should have taken any of this talk show seriously?
THAT WAS THE FUCKING TONE! She came out riffing with us. Before the show, one of the performers / producers told me we inspired her to be a bigger slut. Everyone was kidding around. Shit, Lizz started out the show making abortion jokes and said her family calls her “Terminator 3” because she’s had as many abortions!
That wasn’t included in any of the transcriptions.
The “transcriptions” you’re talking about were edited by Lizz. When she said the Terminator 3 thing she looked at the camera and said, “That’s not going in.” We recently got a hold of the full tapes from that night and were gobsmacked to see how badly we were set up. It made me angry that I ever even felt the tiniest bit of remorse about ANY of it. And it made me angry that my editor sort of apologized for us, saying the things we said weren’t representative of where we work, and kept trying to get an apology out of me. I told her I was pissed about that, and that I am not sorry for being myself and giving my opinions on shit.
This whole thing sounds like that scene in Hellboy 2.
What?
There’s a scene in it that sums up this whole thing. Hellboy is standing on the street and somebody says to him, “Hey, are you Hellboy?” He looks kind of excited but the guy follows it with, “You’re ugly.” Then he crosses the street and somebody yells, “Hey Hellboy!” and Hellboy says, without looking up, “I know. I’m ugly.” Selma Blair then has a sit down with Hellboy and tells him a lot of people simply appear not to like him because they are intimidated.
Winstead took that scene and cropped out everything but, “I know. I’m ugly.” Then the blogosphere goes off screaming, “Some chick named Slut Machine says women are ugly!”
That’s one of the stupidest analogies I’ve ever heard but you’re a man and people think it’s funny when men say stupid shit.
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feminists are annoying cunts.
thanks for ruining society bitches
08.05.08 at 12:05 pm
i thought it was cute/funny when she said “stupidest.”
08.05.08 at 12:11 pm
I was under the impression that it is only technically rape if the perp is a different shade than the victim. Otherwise it falls under “woman’s duty.” Am I wrong?
I’m pretty sure I’ve read that in a Ketubah, no?
08.05.08 at 12:12 pm
TRACIE just remember that anyone with 1/10th of a clue figured you were probably being quoted out of context from the very beginning. The only people who took this story seriously and freaked out are RETARDEDS. K? K.
08.05.08 at 12:25 pm
Wow. So, all these words to air out some gossip between some bitches. I wish I could un-read that
08.05.08 at 12:36 pm
ur porking that tracie hog aren’t u? cuz if not y the fuck do we have to hear about her fat ass every fucking day?
08.05.08 at 12:39 pm
Wow, that’s some stellar advice that could have saved women’s lives if that bitch Lizz Winstead had not edited it out: Ladies, you should never be alone with a guy unless you’re willing to fuck him. Anything else and you’re being stupid.
I guess, by extension, if you ask a guy to your place and he wants to fuck you while pulling a knife on you or beating the shit out of you, then you just go along with it. Otherwise you’re stupid.
Not only is Tracie Egan an asshole, as evident in many of these barely literate rantings in this interview, but she’s a DUMB asshole.
This too made a lot of sense: “This is the first interview they’ve let us do and they didn’t even let us.”
What the fuck?
08.05.08 at 12:40 pm
i love tracie and that last thing she said was spot on actually
08.05.08 at 12:40 pm
I followed this shitstorm on Jezebel. It must have taken an enormous amount of strength for Tracie and Moe to stand up for themselves in the face of a pretty insane amount misrepresentation and condemnation. These women are fucking amazing.
08.05.08 at 12:47 pm
Like almost all big cultural debates it eventually comes back to old people not getting “the kids today.”
08.05.08 at 12:50 pm
feminists love to say “flippant”
08.05.08 at 12:51 pm
marvelous idea. tracie is to the max.
08.05.08 at 12:53 pm
I feel date raped by this whole fiasco
08.05.08 at 1:00 pm
i think tracie is awesome from what little i’ve seen of her, and i’m a straight man under 20. everything she says makes sense. i don’t think of her in the sense of a feminist, i think of her as just you know, a ‘modern woman’. shes not a going to enter a unisex boxing match and bitch if she gets punched in the face by a man thats all(not that she would enter a unisex boxing match, or that unisex boxing matches even exist).
08.05.08 at 1:02 pm
Look, Gavin, Tracie is pretty good-looking and funny and whatnot, but why are you explicitly associating yourself with Jezebel?
That place is more reflexively P.C. than another other blog–or, for that matter, media out, new or old–that I can recall.
Every single post is about how something is racist/homophobic/misogynist/blah fucking blah fucking blah.
Don’t even get me started on the fucking cunts that comment over there. Bitches whine about being “oppressed,” that is judged, by anyone who might think it’s less than a-okay to want to exercise your “right” to an unfettered partial-birth abortion of your six month old fetus; yet any notable woman or minority who, in response to this or that issue, adopts an individualist stance, rather than that of the herd and its groupthink, is labeled “self-hating,” etc.
Then there’s this little gem, from no less than the lovely (I mean that sincerely) Ms. Eagan herself, whose readers bitch and moan on the daily about the pressures women face both in conforming to “unrealistic societal standards of beauty” and in avoiding the perils of eating disorders:
“Guys With Body Issues Can Be A Little Annoying”
http://jezebel.com/5032784/guys-with-body-issues-can-be-a-little-annoying
Frankly, I think all people with body issues are a lot fucking annoying, and the (presumably straight) men–like the one featured in the accompanying clip–especially are likely real pieces of work.
But can you imagine the shit fit that these cows would throw if someone made the same comment of a women or, I suspect, a gay man?
There’s something to be said for having consistency.
When it comes to constant whining, at least, the Jezebel crowd, to their credit, does manage to keep it fairly consistent.
(Please excuse any typos, etc., as I’m just running out the door; I just wanted to quickly add my two cents.)
08.05.08 at 1:39 pm
wow i guess im out of touch. iv never heard of any of these women, and couldn’t really give a shit about their bickering. its a fucking women’s gossip blog, gavin. get back to writing the funny shit.
08.05.08 at 1:40 pm
fucking a 123, well put.
08.05.08 at 1:41 pm
I’ve never read Jezebel because I am, in fact, a straight man. But I do enjoy the shit Gavin does/crossposts with Tracie over here. I’d much rather look at her in videos than Gavin’s hairy ass.
08.05.08 at 1:51 pm
123: So your thesis here is “I hate these bitches that write about things I don’t want to read about”. That’s amazing. You are amazing. I’m glad you took the time out of your busy schedule to let us know what you think. Don’t let that door hit you in the ass on the way out.
08.05.08 at 2:04 pm
@ 123: I love it when rubes disparage even vaguely progressive thought as “reflexively PC”. I get it. You consider your egregiously bigoted attitudes to be a badge of courage. You’re just bein’ a sexy, noble truth teller!
Also, if your goal is to dismiss feminism as whiny and irrelevant, you should learn to talk about it without employing the words “bitch”, “cunt” and “cow”. It sort of proves their point for them.
08.05.08 at 2:11 pm
high-minded Jezebel discourse
http://jezebel.com/5033187/beauty-and-the-beast
08.05.08 at 2:17 pm
YOU FUCKERS!!!YOU ALL KILLED THE INTERNET!!!!!im gonna go read a book. fuck yall.
08.05.08 at 2:17 pm
re:123 this post seemed to be more about defending a friend than supporting a website.
however, you’re right about jezebel on many fronts. its elitist and boring, with exception to Slut Machine and a few others.
08.05.08 at 2:43 pm
The whole “advancement” for feminism has just been skewed and twisted to a point where it seems like women try to possess the worst qualities of men. Such as not giving a shit about contraceptives and fucking and drinking too much. For example
Slut Machine: “Also, because I’m kinda sexually liberated, people are always throwing that rape shit in my face, to try to keep me in check, to remind me that I shouldn’t be so casual about sex. Of course, it’s still OK if men fuck whomever they want.”
It’s not “OK” for men to fuck whomever they want, but I’m sure it’s much more safe. For starters a man has to get an erection to have sex, so it would be a little bit more difficult for a woman to get him wasted and drugged up and fuck him in his sleep. Secondly, men have more muscle mass and are bigger than women so I’m sure self defense in a rape scenario would (generally speaking) be easier to handle for a man.
Most men do not admire a guy who fucks tonnes of ugly women, shits his pants from drinking too much, and readily talks about his sexual exploits. The exception to this is of course college jock douchebags – who will openly admit they admire the aforementioned male cliche. Sure the men who do that sort of shit are fun to laugh at – but I don’t think Slut Machine is pitching her writing for laughs.
Women don’t have to prove to anyone that they can be as big of assholes as men can be. I think it was always sort of accepted that women had it in them to be total bags but that a good portion of them chose not to be.
Read Jezebel articles and you’ll understand what I mean when I say they are really pushing to be like shitty men. Continuous articles on whether circumcised penises are better than uncircumcised penises. Thats equivalent to a mens blog writing frequent articles on whether fake breasts are better than real breasts, or if exposed labia’s are more aesthetically pleasing than non exposed labia’s. It’s degrading at best. In their defense — I’m sure you could find an article discussing the pro’s and con’s of big labias & breasts vs. small labias & breasts on some college/frat/jock message board/website.
Women are entitled to express their shitty views as much as shitty men – but Slut Machine is without a doubt – the poster child for female advancement gone astray. Girls are trying to be shitty boys instead of just accepting that they are different and for the most part better than most men.
08.05.08 at 3:05 pm
The only way for the “it was a comedy show” defense to work would be for what was said to have actually been funny. It wasn’t. In any context. Also, spouting off ageist remarks about Winstead hardly does anything to dismiss Tracie’s rep of being a graceless, tactless, dumb twat.
08.05.08 at 3:10 pm
Gavin and Derrick, and some of their contributors like Jim Goad, are, to put it mildly, contrarians. But they are also smart and funny and SC is a pretty good project. Why do their posts always attract such small trash fish like LOL, Cuntegonde, Wut?, 123 etc.? The majority of commenters on this site seem to be the most amazingly ignorant little shits. OHH WAIT IT IS THE INTERNET, right.
08.05.08 at 3:11 pm
that drunk girl turns me on, thats the kind of girl you lunge at with a wedding ring and she turns you down just because the rings to flashy. fuck me side ways if a girl with a foul mouth and an attitude doesnt make your pinner stand on end
08.05.08 at 3:16 pm
that last comment was randolphin and and i dont want to be affiliated with such a long winded twat
08.05.08 at 3:19 pm
Love you tracie! fuck the haters.
08.05.08 at 3:19 pm
Lizz Winstead was part of a panel comedy discussion (along with other producers, comedians, etc.) that came to my school and pulled the same shit. She actively tried to make another person on the panel look stupid/radical and was a bitch to the audience. It was kind of disgusting to watch. It ended similarly in tears.
That being said, I watched the whole interview and that girl Moe sounded pretty dumb (I have a feeling she would sound dumb if she was sober too).
Sucks that Tracie gets associated with her just for appearing on the show with her.
08.05.08 at 4:51 pm
I love how Tracie will blame anything and everyone for what happened, yet won’t take any responsibility for what she said.
They MADE us drink! They EDITED the video! The SET US UP!!! Gawker wouldn’t let us defend ourselves! They CENSORED US!!!! WAAAAAAH!!!!
“BULL FUCKING SHIT. I haven’t been DATE raped (not alleyway with a ski mask raped – we weren’t talking about that) because I’m intuitive about that shit.”
Really!? REALLY???
Winstead seems to be a real piece of work, as well, but the fact that “omg SHE got DRUNK TOO!” is beside the point. She wasn’t drunk in her interview with them, and she isn’t an editor of Jezebel who tons of young women look up to. TRACIE and MOE are. And THEY were the ones who decided to say those stupid things and get shit faced.
OWN UP TO IT.
08.05.08 at 4:53 pm
MissFrou, ftw.
08.05.08 at 5:04 pm
I just can’t get over what a terribly tricky bitch Lizz was here. Post more humiliating stuff about that freak.
08.05.08 at 5:07 pm
“after reading their posts to prepare for the interview”
cut to lizz winstead twirling the moustache.
08.05.08 at 5:30 pm
ew is the only thing on this page worth reading
08.05.08 at 5:31 pm
man i got in a huge fight with my girlfriend today. i think she’s quitting the softball team.
08.05.08 at 5:32 pm
That woman is the Susan Powter of pseudo smartass, uber drunken non hilarity and irrelevantness.
Girls from college get date raped because fucking baby boomer “feminists” have been telling them its ok to do whatev ’cause women and men are equal so no one will hurt you, and even going upstairs with a man and his friends at a frat party completely shitfaced, when all your girls are nowhere to be found is cool ’cause they just wanna do some body shots. I mean, put yourself in that position and you’re asking for trouble. Its just not logical or TRUE that women can do these types of things and expect that all males will behave themselves. Grab a fucking brain. So basically, these young women are going into these situations totally misinformed, ill equipped, making poor choices and then crying rape. It IS rape but there does have to be responsibility on thier part. I mean, if you cover your arm in honey and then stick it out the car windowat a fucking bear, what’s he going to do? You’ll be lucky if he doesn’t rip your arm clean off. Same diff here as far as I’m concerned.
So thank you Lizz for hanging yourself with the smallest amount of rope possible. those vids are so pathetic, I’d just crawl into a closet with a 40 pounder and call it a day.
08.05.08 at 6:26 pm
Oh whine whine whine.
Just because some of you took the Vice-hipster-douche joke image to THE XTREME and are heartbroken to find out that Gavin and Street Carnage aren’t a bunch of mindless assholes all the time doesn’t mean you can launch into some anti-feminist rant (apparently just two steps out the door to somewhere uber important! Just got to drop my 2 cents in, guys!) about the image of a site you know nothing about.
Go back to your jobs folding t-shirts at American Apparel.
08.05.08 at 6:51 pm
I’d hardly call Buttercup Punch an “editorial” source worth weighing in on. It is just a place where a bunch of Jezebel commenters with no life outside of a comment text box go and complain.
08.05.08 at 6:55 pm
1. Pretty much no college women actually get raped.
The Campus Rape Myth
http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_1_campus_rape.html
2. Everyone seems to think Gavin’s heterodox stances are just “jokey” contrarianism. This must explain why he’s previously taken time out of what was then his busy job at Vice to pen articles for paleoconservative Vdare.com–his contributions to which, unlike his sole submission to the American Conservative, he has never disavowed as a “joke”.
Totally Fearless About Being Caught: Illegals In New York
http://www.vdare.com/misc/050519_mcinnes.htm
South Park Conservatives: Is This New Anti-Left Trend Right?
http://www.vdare.com/misc/050531_mcinnes.htm
Jared Taylor Meets Canada’s Multicultural Madrassa —Almost
http://www.vdare.com/misc/050329_mcinnes.htm
08.05.08 at 7:20 pm
Well, Per Fume, I think the appropriate way to describe them is “former Jezebel commenters” and, quite frankly, most of the content has nothing to do with Jezebel.
08.05.08 at 7:21 pm
These girlies seem to have gotten you all worked into a tizzy.
08.05.08 at 7:41 pm
Yeah actually never going home with a guy unless you’re sure you want to sleep with him DOES seem like a pretty fool proof way to prevent date rape. I wonder why more girls aren’t taught that.
08.05.08 at 9:00 pm
Funny because Tracie seems to STILL not understand that no one gives a fuck how many people she fuck. Be the whore you wanna be Trace! It’s her history of bad advice, retarded information about safe sex, and the whole of irresponsibility that Jezebel trades in when it comes to rape. It’s a bunch of pseudo-intellectual (none of them actually intelligent or smart) hipsters that think they know something. Tracie seems to be confused that her sexual liberation is not what makes her a hateful asshole. It’s her complete idiocy.
08.05.08 at 9:53 pm
Oh yes, that’s real life-saving advice that the evil Lizz excised from the interview: “Don’t go home with a guy unless you intend to fuck him.” What happens if you change your mind because the guy turns out to be a creep? What happens if he pulls a knife or wants to rough you up against your wishes and fucks you despite your protests? Then you didn’t get raped and he’s not a rapist?
This woman is a moron.
And Per Fume … errrrrrr, I mean Tracie … that’s real subtle. Grow the fuck up.
08.05.08 at 9:55 pm
Well at least she defended herself graciously.
08.05.08 at 10:32 pm
This shit is all really so dated and quaint. Do none of you remember Camille Paglia ending this like 15 years ago?
08.05.08 at 10:36 pm
“Incendiary.”
08.05.08 at 10:52 pm
jeezus fuckin CRIST ya deleted my comment ya pigfuckin cockmasters
08.05.08 at 11:09 pm
When women fuck too much, their vaginas start turning inside out like a half rolled sock. A healthy vagina should have its inner labia covered by a tight outer labia (i.e. there shouldn’t be any pink showing).
The opposite is true for men. The more men fuck the better their penises look.
Conclusion: Nature does not approve of feminism
08.06.08 at 1:13 am
How do penises look better the more men fuck?
08.06.08 at 1:35 am
i like the: “there are no assertive men in williamsburg” comment
08.06.08 at 1:37 am
whoop!
08.06.08 at 2:38 am
thanks anonymous for being correct. i thought id check back in on this lil shitstorm much like how a serial killer returns to the crime scene to to jack off all over the decaying mutilated corpses of his victims. ( plus schools out n im semi unemployed so I aint got shit to do muthafuckas!)so i did read a book, and cuz its 3 in the morning and no one who cares about me wants to hear about it right now, i thought id share my insights with a bunch of apparently stupid, hateful strangers. So I read that new palaniuk book, snuff, and in short: not his finest hour. it lured me in withs its mike n ike colored dust jacket thingy, but id still have to put a shelf below diary. maybe a little higher than survivor…..maybe. sorry chuck, but that schtick gets old. The thing about shock factor ( and pay close attention tracie, gavin,moe and jim, or your gonna have to learn what marilyn manson did the hard way) is that is has to be SHOCKING. Its 2008, bitches. people have been fucking, fighting, farting and aborting for millenia. Your not gonna be the ones to put some radical new spin on it to make it all novel again. So either come up with some new shit to keep me entertained or shut up and fade into oblivion, like candyman. ( especially Jezebel. the whole ethos of that thing is , in synopsis, ” were girls and were like proud to be like girly and stuff cuz we like makeup and talking about boys and stuff, but were like , badass too cuz we also like to talk about totally not- prissy girly stuff like our periods, and poop, and like , how we totally like fuck bunches of different dudes when were wasted. cuz were like, punk-hipster-cool kids” congrats, your a bunch of 30 year old avril lavignes. nite-nite.
08.06.08 at 3:36 am
p.s. hey assfucks , im 19, its 3 in the morning and this site is called street BONERS, so id appreciate it if yall did not reflexivley attack my poor use of indentation, spelling, and my public school grammar in a futile attempt to prove that I am not, in fact, correct. Thanks a bunch!
08.06.08 at 3:44 am
Tracie, I watched the entire interview. You should stop blaming others for your fuck-ups. Also, that Winstead apology video is a joke. And, if it isn’t, it’s still immature to try and use her innapropriate behavior as a defence for your atrocious comments.
And, being slightly drunk is no excuse for your insensitive comments about rape. You’re acting like an ass who tries to get away with racist remarks because he or she was intoxicated.
Oh, and I couldn’t care less about who you have loveless sex with. Your posts are so self-important.
“BULL FUCKING SHIT. I haven’t been DATE raped (not alleyway with a ski mask raped – we weren’t talking about that) because I’m intuitive about that shit.”
Awful. So, someone who has a drug slipped into their drink is not intuitive? Way to go.
Keep on knocking the feminist movement on its ass by acting like that “average frat boy.”
08.06.08 at 4:08 am
SO MANY WORDS HOLY SHIT
08.06.08 at 5:08 am
What you witness with Tracie and Jezebel is what happens when hipsters assholes have been told for too long that they are special and smart when they are just mental midgets with mom and dad’s money. Tracie is basically a complete moron that fancies herself intelligent and a feminist, when she is neither.
08.06.08 at 8:08 am
this post and the comments after it made me sad.
regardless of whether or not tracie is dumb or a feminist or whatever you want to call her it is terrible to be manipulated and taken out of context. that could’ve happened to her even if she was sober on that show. on any show, really.
don’t even pretend you all are saints and have never said a single phrase that could be taken offensively. you’re just not prominent enough to be on the teevee.
(also i am a young lady that likes tracie, even considering that (as another young ’sexually liberated woman’) i thinks she needs to shut the fuck up about sex sometimes)
08.06.08 at 10:02 am
i just like that Gavin paid 12 bucks or whatever to see Hellboy 2.
and…oh dammit I can’t resist. I agree with Tracie about not going home with dudes you don’t want to sleep with. sometimes girls come home with me and before we get in the cab they will literally say, in one form or the other, “i’m not fucking you tonight.” and that’s cool. and we hang out, smoke weed, watevev. and make out some. and that works. some girls don’t say that, cuz they want to fuck. and we fuck and that’s cool too. The point is intuition does play an important role. I think most of them are intuitive enough to know i am not going to morph into William Kennedy Smith once the door is locked.
But is it good advice for every girl?. Probably not. a lot of dudes, even in willsburg, are scumbags. but its her opinion, her blog, her shit, her world. she can say whatever she fucking wants. and the boomer drunk who ripped into her was disengenious. i agree with Kat, if there were microphones around every time I got drunk I would probably be in my closet for a week weeping about my own stupidity.
08.06.08 at 10:33 am
Everyone knows that this is just another Zionist/Henry Rollins plot! They steal our bagels for the penises. They have eaten my salmon with their VAGINAS!!! I’m not a dumb child. I’m a student of various martial arts. I can do a backflip in the nude. I’m telling you these things to show how much of an expert I am at the “real” world. We shall overcome. Please tell your mothers and daughters not to masturbate at the zoo.
08.06.08 at 12:25 pm
PS My ballbag itches real bad right now but instead of scratching it, I squeeze it. That doesn’t help at all.
08.06.08 at 12:28 pm
I still want Tracie’s herpes.
08.06.08 at 1:30 pm
american girls are almost as slutty as japanese girls,
except it is more likely for a U.S. chick’s head to be full of some feminist backlash nonsense…
…..a la
“people think it’s funny when men say stupid stuff”..
i met a girl at a party last week and she was wasted, saying a whole bunch of stupid stuff. she’s a nice girl but her patter was shit, if it had been a guy it would have actually been less bearable.
when big Gavin gets wasted his patter is supreme,,, but he is a man,,, and he was trying to get me drunk.
in the U.K. the logical extension of man-hating is to suspect all men of rape AND kiddy fiddling.
you do have a serious amount of college/ sport/ army douches in the states.
i got my dick sucked on the dancefloor……….. only in ameeeeericah.
08.06.08 at 1:41 pm
We’re gonna do chick things and talk about chick issues and other chick stuff in a chicky way and poke fun at men in order to get our sexist society past sexism.
08.06.08 at 2:28 pm
tits or gtfo!
08.06.08 at 3:17 pm
Funny how someone who has never been raped can comment on how bad it is.
08.06.08 at 5:15 pm
Dear Li,
The length of pussy lips, labia, if you prefer (latin sucks), has nothing to do with how many men a woman fucks. You’re retarded. I know because I made you that way. Try not to get hit by the short bus before school tomorrow.
Sincerely,
God
08.06.08 at 8:44 pm
i love feminism. it’s adorable.
now get back into the kitchen you dirty ho and COOK THE MAN SOME FUCKING EGGS
08.07.08 at 3:42 am
gavin is funny and tracie is funny and that’s enough of a reason for me to like them.
08.07.08 at 8:33 pm
[...] & Drinking meltdown. Tracie “Slut Machine” Egan is finally allowed to give an interview about it, and simply put: Lizz Winstead is a catty old bitch who’s threatened by the younger [...]
08.08.08 at 12:01 pm
Tracie’s acting like she had no power over the words that came out of her mouth in that interview/whatever it was. She’s been in journalism for long enough to know that shit like that can happen, you can be taken out of context, etc. What she and Moe said was FUCKING STUPID even if the sentiment behind it was true (and I really agree with what she’s saying as it’s elaborated here). I like her a lot, but she really should just man up (lols) and take some responsibility for acting like an asshole. Also hahaha at “you can say stupid shit because you’re a man.” Talk about defensive, even if it’s supposed to be a joke.
08.10.08 at 2:10 am
I agree with shitcock (not the first time I’ve had to say that)
anyone who has any type of clue, even about dumb shit like don’t wash your reds with whites, knew you’d been misquoted. winstead’s old and irrelevant, which she is unable to accept for a number of reasons.
08.14.08 at 1:56 am
Time for Lizz to retire – she obviously has morphed into a jealous old bitch.
08.15.08 at 11:35 pm
i guess we can see she’s ignorant about women’s issues also when sober.
09.03.08 at 2:16 pm
why hold men to a different standard? i don’t think it’s “OK if men fuck whomever they want” and i think that is the perception in society nowadays. isn’t it a little counterproductive, if not entirely hypocritical, for an apparent feminist to take such a rigid approach to men and sexuality in the modern world? have we not evolved enough by now to all realize the standards for sluttery are universal at this point- black, white, man, woman…a slut’s a slut. i know many people who aren’t “ok” with promiscuous males, and so i’m questioning why this supposed champion of equality is making divisions based on sex?
and to imply that it’s a woman’s lack of tuition that gets them date raped is kiiiiiiiinda absurd.
who are you to say date rape isn’t the “worst” thing that can happen to a woman? for someone who is trying to pass them self off as an apparently legitimate “professional feminist”, how can you definitively state that? there are so many instances of brutality that you’re undermining with that statement.
this is why you got played – you make feminists look like a joke.
02.07.09 at 8:50 pm
if the shitty world is run by shitty men, why would feminist want to be like men and fuck whomever, do stupid shit, and say stupid shit. i don’t get feminist or people who fuck a bunch of strangers.
07.31.09 at 3:13 am