you didn’t mention any ways the country is becoming islamified. the things I mentioned ARE ways the country could be seen to be becoming islamified. presence of a muslim in a supermarket is not an islamificiation. presence of muslim goods, muslim owners and so forth would be. not just one guy in a supermarket or congress.

there are probably just as many ways the country is being gypsified or rosacrutioned as muslimized, using yoour criteria of random, non consequential examples.

when muhammed ali became heavy weight champ was that part of the islamification of america? kareem abdul jabbar getting his ass kicked in “game of death”

“Nothing I ever said would lead any rational person to infer that US foreign policy has nothing to do with the current situation in the Middle East. Point to a single passage of mine anywhere that would logically lead to such a conclusion”

I’ll point to a couple:

“To say “we are in their fucking countries 9 times out of 10? ignores the Moors and all the Islamic incursions throughout the Middle Ages,”

“Islam, since its beginning, has been territorial and expansionist. If the Afghans aren’t currently trying to occupy Russian territory, I’d speculate it’s because they don’t feel they have the might or numbers to do it.”

“What’s going on now is merely the continuation of a near-global cultural war which has been waged since Muhammad was banging pre-teens.”

you clearly feel that terrorism is islam trying to take over america and europe NOT any kind of reaction to our foreign policy. you don’t think, as pat buchanan and others have stated that “they were over here because we are over there”.

now for clarification what is “the West.”

this problomatic for me because the west always ends up including the israelis. does it for you. does defending israel = defending the west. yes or no?

how about China? is that the west? I really don’t see china turning muslim.

my name is chris hadrick. I have the handle for color. it’s the internet wtf? what kind of point is that.

If aristotle posted here under “big butt small nut” he wouldn’t be smart? who cares?

You asked me to name ONE way in which the country is becoming Islamified. I mentioned SEVERAL, so you completely shifted the focus and pretended as if I said the entire country had already BECOME Islamified.

BAD argumentative tactic! NOT logical! Minus one point!

@”So you don’t believe our foreign policy plays any role in the phenomenon of terrorism?”

Nothing I ever said would lead any rational person to infer that US foreign policy has nothing to do with the current situation in the Middle East. Point to a single passage of mine anywhere that would logically lead to such a conclusion.

All I did was pull back the camera, widen the perspective, and state that the current conflict is merely the latest blip in a cultural war which has been going on for over 1000 years—LONG before Zionism and modern Israel existed. The war is being fought on several fronts—in my mind, the most important and long-lasting will be the demographic shifts taking place in the West. Nothing I’ve said would lead someone to infer that Zionists may not be exploiting this situation to their advantage, either.

Minus another point!

So I’ve just presented two Viagra-hard pieces of evidence that you don’t know how to argue. Anyone with basic reasoning powers can look at the rest of the thread and see you striking out each time. Everything you’re tossing out here is devoid of logic, and none of it is even tangentially related to anything I’ve said. You’re down in the basement, hittin’ that Straw Man Bag as hard as you can.

You’re yet another anonymous shmoe who accuses me of being “afraid” to confront some universal “truth,” yet you’re too timid to reveal your own identity. As Gomer Pyle would say, “Surprise, surprise!”

so like okay from wikipedia

“According to the journalist , Yousef mailed letters to various New York newspapers just before the attack, in which he claimed he belonged to ‘Liberation Army, Fifth Battalion’.[7]

These letters made three demands: an end to all US aid to Israel,

an end to US diplomatic relations with Israel,

and a demand for a pledge by the United States to end interference “with any of the Middle East countries’ interior affairs.”

He stated that the attack on the World Trade Center would be merely the first of such attacks if his demands were not met. In his letters Yousef admitted that the World Trade Center bombing was an act of terrorism, but that this was justified because “the terrorism that Israel practices (which America supports) must be faced with a similar one.”"

blah blah blah etc. so that’s all just rhetoric? the REAL reason he wanted to blow the WTC was because he wanted to eventually take over new york city? and what, he didn’t want a building there?

I just feel like you are afraid to speak about this element of the equation either out of lack of confidence in your knowledge in this area

OR because you are used to, from your heyday in the PC 90’s, speaking out against leftists and aren’t comfortable going against military type people which in your mind is “conservative”

lol are you pulling my leg here bro?

“So, roughly, there are now 18 times more Muslims in the USA than there were in 1970. And their fertility rates are higher than that of Americans—white Americans especially. Do the math, son, and quit talking out of your ass. In a generation, you’ll see that your denial of America’s gradual Islamification is what’s truly silly”

yeah, the stock exchange is lousy with all these huge new muslim companies. I can’t buy a new car thats not an al-arabiya brand hybrid. it’s just islam everywhere you look. like pretty much every one I know is a muslim now.

“So you’re attacking arguments I’ve never made”

no YOU are attacking arguments I never made. I have never said anythign about jews, I have said things about ISRAEL and the fact that we spend alot of blood and treasure defending THEM. I love jews. Howard Stern, Sarah Silverman, that famous libertarian guy whatever. I don’t care about jews. my probelm is with israel. love jews, dohn’t like israel, or rather I don’t see why my paycheck should go towards them and why i should have to dodge suicide bombers who are essentially meant for them.

there are way more brilliant jews than muslims because western cilviation is better than muslim civilization. that’s why if you ask me it’s pretty stupid to put (by UN fiat) a western nation made up of europeans in the middle of all that.

“We’re currently in a war which, like I already stated, has been waged since the mid-600s”

no YOU are. you and mark steyn and washington. with MY tax dollars and it’s putting My family, which doesn’t care about YOUR religious wars, in danger.

“Charles Martel.” ”

the fucking hammer of the franks. i know all this shit. You can huff and you can puff but you are going to convince me that my tax dollars and my safety should go to a war I DON”T CARE ABOUT. what happened to leaving people alone? isn’t that what conservatives used to believe? go to the mddle east and fight some muslims if you want. have at it. I’m concerned with economic competition from China, not islam. you talk abuot this country being mummified or muslimized in 20 years. in 20 years there is a FAR GREATER chance of us getting our asses kicked by China who are in the process of ROCKETING past us. they have at least 100 cities that are bigger or better than any of ours. they don’t do wars. they don’t care about all this stuff. they are smart.

“We’re definitely not “in their fucking countries” in the sense that we can act like Westerners in their countries without, say, having a limb removed”

you can go to beirut, dubai, any number of places and act “western” without having a limb removed. they are more socially conservative and yeah in the countryside they get downright medieval. I don’t have much in common with most of the muslims I’ve met but they have good manners and are intelligent if, in my opinion, misguided on the role of religion in law and life.

again, we are both concerned for americas safety and that’s good. You feel it is our immigration and tolerance that is the problem, I feel it is our massive overseas empire. Maybe it’s both. maybe it’s neither. people like Michael Scheur agree with both of us that we need to not have military presence in the middle east AND all the concerns you were talking abuot and he’s probbaly closest to the mark. I mean you do prevention and you do law enforcment. all right I’m, just rambling now. END

I already have, but you seem to be a slow learner.

Through immigration. The country is becoming Islamified through the influx of Muslims.

One congressman? How many were there 20 years ago? Would we have had a president with the middle name “Hussein” 20 years ago?

I never mentioned Americans being converted to Islam, which seems to be an assumption you made. They’re making strong headway among black Americans, but their power and influence is increasing through the blunt force of sheer numbers.

The number of American Muslims increased sixfold from 1972 to 1990:

http://muslim-canada.org/muslimstats.html

Since 1990, that number has tripled:

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2003/04/how-many-muslims-in-the-united-states

So, roughly, there are now 18 times more Muslims in the USA than there were in 1970. And their fertility rates are higher than that of Americans—white Americans especially. Do the math, son, and quit talking out of your ass. In a generation, you’ll see that your denial of America’s gradual Islamification is what’s truly silly.

I’ve found that the most tedious people on Earth are those who insist I’m not hard enough on Jews and that I’m somehow “scared” of them. You’re a fool, as well as entirely wrong, for trying to tell me what my motivations are.

I’ve never written a word justifying the state of Israel. I’ve never stated that Jews are immune from the same sort of ingroup/outgroup favoritism that characterizes other groups—in fact, they’re masters at it. I’ve never claimed they don’t dominate American media in ways that seem to be justifying their group interests at the expense of non-Jewish Americans. I’ve never claimed they aren’t especially hostile to the non-Jewish people of European stock whence I sprung. So you’re attacking arguments I’ve never made.

I’ve merely stated my admiration for Jews’ survival skills against overwhelming odds. They are ridiculously over-represented in nearly all areas of human achievement besides, perhaps, sports and music. You can tack it up to deviousness if you’d like. I credit it to figuring out the game and dominating the game in a way no one else has come close to doing. I value intelligence, and Jews win the golden ring on that tip.

I could rattle off 100 influential Jewish philosophers, 100 influential Jewish scientists, and 100 hilarious Jewish comedians before I could think of one Muslim I’d deem fit to share space on any of those lists.

To say “we are in their fucking countries 9 times out of 10″ ignores the Moors and all the Islamic incursions throughout the Middle Ages, and, despite your condemnation of political correctness, it’s a typically whiny PC talking point. We’re currently in a war which, like I already stated, has been waged since the mid-600s. Look up the name “Charles Martel.” Muslims have tried and tried and tried to conquer the West. When the West had a true fighting spirit and a firm sense of its own identity, the Muslims failed. But since the West is now awash in suicidal “tolerance,” I say the Muslims have a good chance of finishing the job.

We’re definitely not “in their fucking countries” in the sense that we can act like Westerners in their countries without, say, having a limb removed. But they’re free to move here and huddle under the peculiarly Western notion of “tolerance.” So in the ways that truly matter, they’re in our countries far more than we are in theirs.