The Anarchists in Vancouver are not happy about the Winter Olympics being held there and recently marched through town smashing windows, covering their faces, and yelling about everything from capitalism to the seal hunt to indigenous land. Some of their beefs are valid. The Olympics is a big waste of taxpayers’ money and in a city where one junkie dies every day, the local government could afford to be focusing on more serious problems. However, when reading the “manifestos” of today’s anarchists, one thing becomes abundantly clear: They hate capitalism more than they hate government.
I grew up going to anarchist conventions and don’t regret the various A’s I have tattooed up and down my arms in the slightest. We looked exactly like the 2010 Olympic protesters when we did things like protest outside the Chinese Embassy for China’s human rights violations in 1988. But back then, only a handful of anarchists would cover their faces. It drove us nuts because we were out there screaming about government ineptness and guys are acting like our adversary knows what he’s doing. “You realize your assumption that they are recording your face and putting you in some kind of effective database implies they know what they’re doing, right?” we’d ask them. I mean, if you’re doing something illegal, then yeah, cover your face but if you’re simply protesting, grow some balls. As Lisa Carver pointed out, “They rely on fear to do their job of censoring and fear-mongering for them.” This seemingly small detail is actually indicative of a much bigger split in the anarchist community: government aptitude.
Getting to the bottom of this split is like finding a needle in a pile of barf. Anarchist gatherings (or un-gatherings as we used to call them in an attempt to refute every possible rule you can imagine) are a great way to meet like-minded people in a convention-like atmosphere but they’re also disorganized mess of conflicting beliefs. There’s the tranny who shows up to the Sexuality Workshop and is almost killed by punk single mothers after trying to argue young children are just as sexual as adults. There’s the curiously furious men who are angered at not being allowed into the Rape Trauma Workshop because that’s sexist. There’s the guy with the Styrofoam cup and the cigarette who is booed out of the workshop for Pollution Prevention. There’s the mentally ill kid who hogs the talking stick for so long talking about his therapist, everyone eventually meanders out of the room. And finally, there’s the fucking communists. What the hell is this twerp with the Mao hat and the camo side bag adorned with a giant, red star doing at a convention for government haters? Mao killed ten times the people Hitler did and he did it trying to make the round peg of government fit in the square hole of human destiny.
I understand why socialists are tolerated in the anarchist community about as much as I understand the anarchist hatred for capitalism. Even at 39-years-old I’m still arguing with my old comrades about this unresolved conflict (I gave up after seven pages because their website has too many rules). Sure, the wage discrepancy between CEOs and the factory workers is disgusting. I also hate the way big business ships in illegals and lowers the minimum wage to zero but if anyone has dealt with government at any level in their adult life, they’d realize big business is the lesser of two evils by a long shot.
It’s not just banks and the so-called “Military Industrial Complex” that today’s anarchists want to destroy. It’s basically any company that employs more than 100 people. The Gap is evil because it manufactures clothes with leather and uses Third World Labor. Have any of these people tried NOT manufacturing products in China? I made some dolls for the DOs & DON’Ts a few years ago and to manufacture them in America was going to be literally 15 times the price. In other words, impossible. Years before that I was publishing a comic book compilation and we tried to use hemp paper. We lost our shirts trying to get presses to overcome the varying thickness hemp paper provides and eventually published it on normal paper at a loss. In my early 20s, I lived in a shared house with solar power and it was like living in North Korea. If you used the washing machine that day, you could say goodbye to listening to music that night or using any outdoor lights. We were slaves to the battery. The fridge of course, was propane-powered because that would have taken a whole other roof of solar panels to fuel. Before you knock the evils of “the system,” give another avenue a go — it sucks. Of course, most of these socialist anarchists have never tried any alternative solutions. They just like smashing things. As Orwell said, “All left-wing parties in the highly industrialized countries are at bottom a sham, because they make it their business to fight against something which they do not really wish to destroy.”
Anarchists with covered faces smashing the windows of retail stores are in fact, communists. They want money out of entrepreneur’s hands and into government hands where it can rot. They advocate unions like it was the 1930s and guys with tweed caps needed to get compensation for black lung. Nice sentiment but today’s teacher’s union is the most powerful political lobby in the world and has more cronies on both the Democratic and the Republican side than any other group in Washington. These unions are essentially mobsters who shake down anyone who dares pay electricians less than $50 an hour plus time-and-a-half for overtime plus double time-and-a-half for holidays. That’s more than architects and doctors make when they start out. Is $700 a day the fair wage the anti-capitalists want for the working man? It’s more money than I ever made and I’m rich.
It’s like that seven hour argument I had with Penny Rimbaud from Crass. When I asked him why the MDC can’t blow up Mugabe the same way the Taliban nailed Massoud he said, “Zimbabwe is needed to cart diamonds out of South Africa. America needs him there the same way they need Iraq to get oil out.” Is there anything the American government does not control?
I don’t get it. If government is such a powerful monster, why do anarchists want to give it The Gap’s profits? They can’t seem to decide if the government is this elaborate network James Bond reports to or a quaint group of intellectuals who want to empower the poor. The truth is, it’s neither. They are not all-knowing; they are know-nothings. They are not a “secret society” (as Crass once said) — they can’t even keep an infidelity secret. Since the president got caught using a cigar as a dildo, we’ve learned: John Edwards was screwing his biographer, governor Mark Sanford was boning his Argentinean mistress, senator Larry Craig was fishing for blowjobs in the bathroom, and Spitzer was fucking prostitutes with his socks on. Politics is Hollywood for ugly people and the White House is just a big DMV with Greek columns out front.
Danny Schechter’s new book Plunder! Investigating Our Economic Calamity and the Sub-prime Scandal, makes it crystal clear: The government is everything bad you can say about big business but without the “employing people and manufacturing stuff” part. This sentiment is what attracted me to the anarchist movement in the first place — not Marx’s pretentious claptrap about his “dialectic.”
This is why, as an adult, I’m drawn to libertarians like John Stossel. Sure there’s flaws like a love of open borders which I see as a chance for big business to go on an exploitation bender (anarchists also want open borders which I never quite got), but Stossel’s show spends 90 percent of its time pointing out government incompetence and exposing the way they oppress us. During each episode he holds up a tiny book that’s about half the size of The Communist Manifesto and explains this is the Bill of Rights and the Constitution combined. Then he shows us the endless piles of documentation the government uses for even the most insignificant rule. “This is all we need,” he says holding up the small book. That’s the closest I’ve seen to a plausible anarchist goal in America — ever.
Then Stossel gets specific: We learn about swimming pools that have diving boards revoked because of impending danger and then cause more accidents because kids no longer know where the deep end is. We hear local governments in Texas are strangling restaurants with insanity like “No Outside Dancing” laws (a bizarre rule New York’s previous mayor used to close down clubs he didn’t like). Stossel is very vocal about big money firms like Goldman Sachs and how much they’ve benefited from Obama’s new big government plans. From daycare workers being muscled into joining unions to California being bankrupted by bureaucrats, John Stossel has done more to mobilize hatred for government than any punk kid in black sweatshirt could ever hope to.
If the fashionable punks in Vancouver really cared about personal freedom and really wanted to abolish as much of the government as possible, they would swallow their prejudice, tune into Fox, get over his mustache and take notes from the most articulate and driven anarchist in America today. In short, it’s time for crusty punks to Get Stosselized!
(I’m trademarking that, so don’t even think about stealing it.)
Originally published here.
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Stossel is, for the most, a whiny man who creates highly fictionalized scenarios and inserts them into real life situations. So it’s never any wonder that most of his “efforts” yield sensational viewing results. Also first.
02.22.10 at 12:44 pm
that show is good but they will never touch foreign policy or monetary stuff. it’s gonna be all gay marriage and legalize marijuana after a while.
02.22.10 at 1:13 pm
Gavin . . . have you ever read any anarchist thinkers (Malatesta, Cafiero, Bakunin, Kropotkin, Goldman, Sorel), or do you just like to talk shit?
02.22.10 at 1:13 pm
I used to work with union people. Not the actual dues paying members, but the fags that ran them. Millions and millions of dollars is given to the national offices by mostly poor immigrants. They are forced to pay if they want to work. The money is then given to Democratic Party interests; mostly homos who used to work for the national offices and now work as “consultants.” The consultants then use that money to buy themselves nice houses and buy tickets for fund raising events. At these events they go out of their way to get their pictures taken with whichever black celebrity was paid to come to the event. The pictures go up on their stupid Web-sites and they can pretend that they know “people of color.”
The whole system makes me sick. They are robbing poor people. They have no problem giving 15 grand to a gay group but play poor when you suggest that they start a scholarship program or build a community center so that the poor children of their poor members have a place to go after school.
How can government get it right when the people who have “dedicated” themselves to helping the poor, can’t manage to not be greedy, greasy, dim-witted fucks?
02.22.10 at 1:14 pm
i used to work with the mentally handicapped guy hogging the microphone, there’s always at least one, it’s called assburger’s
02.22.10 at 1:16 pm
WHATEVER! libertarians are lame, dude!
02.22.10 at 1:21 pm
get it right … A S P E R G E R S Syndrome, its fucking amazing … neurotypical are such inbred, irrational assholes its embarrassing to everyone else.
02.22.10 at 1:24 pm
one face, many names: NT. Don’t involve the autistic community in your bullshit parade, PLEASE. We actually have real problems to deal with, thank you very much.
02.22.10 at 1:25 pm
Nice steaming pile of crap. Sorry dude, but I stopped listening to shitty college sophomore arguments when I first heard them as a sophomore. The Stossel part is pure comedy gold though!
02.22.10 at 1:29 pm
Gavin, I just had an epiphany. You should become a Fox News commentator. I’m serious. I’m interested to see what would happen. It would probably make Fox a hell of lot funnier and it would stir the pot of right wing libertarian soup that seems to be bubbling up a storm right now.
It would also force a lot of pseudo counter-culture kids who look up to you to evaluate their own take on the economic and political situation that we’re dealing with right now.
02.22.10 at 1:30 pm
“Military-industrial complex.” Which idiotic hippie came up with this meaningless term anyways?
02.22.10 at 1:30 pm
@ BOBBIEBRIGGSINREALLIFE
Ah, that would be this guy:
http://www.h-net.org/~hst306/documents/indust.html
02.22.10 at 1:32 pm
Just looked up that Orwell quote and it sounds like it was written today…
“All left-wing parties in the highly industrialized countries are at bottom a sham,
because they make it their business to fight against something which they
do not really wish to destroy. They have internationalist aims, and at
the same time they struggle to keep up a standard of life with which
those aims are incompatible. We all live by robbing Asiatic coolies, and
those of us who are ‘enlightened’ all maintain that those coolies ought
to be set free; but our standard of living, and hence our
‘enlightenment’, demands that the robbery shall continue.”
From 1942.
02.22.10 at 1:34 pm
Did you ever consider that the reason you were drawn to Anarchism as a youth and the reason you’re currently drawn to Libertarianism in wealthy early middle-age is the same? That you’re a selfish shit?
02.22.10 at 1:37 pm
‘“Military-industrial complex.” Which idiotic hippie came up with this meaningless term anyways?’
Dwight D. fucking Eisenhower, motherfucker
02.22.10 at 1:48 pm
Give Me Convenience or Give Me Death
02.22.10 at 1:53 pm
Ahhhhh this was awesome.
I dont know who Stossel is but this was a great read, when you get it right you get it riiiiight.
Also re: poor workers being ripped off in Asia, u should go there and see what these terrible horrible factories do to cities there: they bulid them. the factories BUILD the cities and every year the factories put their prices up, and every year it gets harder and harder for them to find young people to work in the factories because as the towns get bigger and more developed the young people become better educated, and no longer want to work in factories, they want to run I.T companies instead. and they do. and then the factory owners have to move further and further inland, thereby repeating the whole process. upskilling the whole country, improving peoples lives. and thats not even talking about the change it has on women… watch out when 3rd world women get educated and empowered, they are going to make the whole world look like lazy, nihilistic little babies.
also this guy above: “..I stopped listening to shitty college sophomore arguments when I first heard them as a sophomore…”
cool man, you’re rad.
02.22.10 at 1:56 pm
here is where i say this:
bring labor and the production of goods back to america.
02.22.10 at 2:04 pm
libertarians generally believe in a totally unrestricted free market. they are against most if not all safety regulations, including worker safety, seat belt laws, etc. they are also against market regulation, the sort of thing that caused the “too big to fail” financial crisis. in short, they are as full of shit as the rest of the “isms” out there.
what I’ve realized over the years is that there is no best system or best way. there is no easy truth that one can side with and always be sure to be right. the best policies will always be a compromise between sides. the truth lies in balance and it’s somewhere between radical anarchist and reactionary republican.
02.22.10 at 2:05 pm
Oh god. Anyone who is an anarchist has the mental capacity of a 15 year old. Also, waste of taxpayer money? Do you know how much business the olympics is bringing to vancouver?
02.22.10 at 2:19 pm
Vote for Sarah Palin. We buy all our cheap crap at Wal-Mart, we might as well have a Wal-Mart caliber president!!!!!
02.22.10 at 2:19 pm
Where’s Preck! when you finally need him
02.22.10 at 2:32 pm
Kids don’t know where the “deep end” of a pool is because pools don’t have diving boards? Give me a fucking break. The writing on the lip of the pool that states “deep end” just doesn’t cut it these days?
I’d like to put my two-cents in about all of this drab, but I don’t think anyone on here will ever change Gavin’s mind about anything. We’re talking about two shit pits. You put your money into the government and they spend too much in places you feel doesn’t deserve it. Or you put your money into “big business” and they keep it and spend too much on jet fuel, private jets, and overpaying employees who don’t really give a service to anyone anymore.
I like all of the scholarly sources Gavin lists, fucking Danny Schechter? Did we not already establish that anyone who attends Colombia knows nothing about economics as the education one receives there is as good as community colleges, yet cost 10 times as much? The coin flipped would have me citing “Teachers Have It Easy: The Big Sacrifices and Small Salaries of America’s Teachers” by Daniel Moulthrop, Nínive Clements and Dave Eggers. Gav would never read this nor weigh in it’s arguments because he doesn’t want to. He has his mind made up on these issues and throws out all logic from opposing views just as quickly as extreme lefties throw out his logic. This shit does nothing for anyone.
Just stick to making dolls that make fun of sandals, Gavin.
02.22.10 at 2:48 pm
just because some ones retarded beliefs are consistent does not make them any less retarded. At least anarchists kinda fake that they actually live the life; i see crusties sleeping on the street all the time but i’ve never met a libertarian that refused to drive on state funded roads, call the city funded police if they got stabbed,etc.
02.22.10 at 2:52 pm
also can crusties please stop dragging dogs down into the literal gutter with them?WASH AND FEED YOUR DAMN PETS, HIPPIES!!
02.22.10 at 2:55 pm
WELL YOUR RITE GAVIN MACINES, I MEAN IF IT WAS’NT FOR JON STOSELL ‘WATCHING THE WATCHER DOG’S’ AS HE DOES, ON HIS SHOW, WELL THE ‘FOOD POLICE’ THEY WOULD OF OUT-LAWED CHEESE-BURGER’S AND SUED THE GIRL-SCOUT’S FOR SELLING THEY’RE GIRL-SCHOUT COOKY’S.
WELL STOSELL EVEN REVIELED THIS ON HIS SHOW, THEIR WAS SERIOUSE EFFORT’S BY NYC LIB’S TO OUT-LAW CHEESEBURGER’S AND STOSELL HAD TO GO UNDER-COVER JUST TO EAT ONE, AND NOT ONLY, THAT, BUT HE DID INFELTRATE A GROUP PLANNING TO SUE THE GIRL-SCOUT!
WELL I AM SO GLAD YOUR PROMOTING HIS SHOW BECASUE HE IS DOING THE LORDS WORK AND AS THE LORD HIM-SELF KNOWS HOW HARD IT IS FOR FOX NEW’S TO GET THEY’RE WORD OUT DO TO THE MSM LIBERAL MEDIA STRANGLE-HOLD’S OVER THE MEDIA.
02.22.10 at 3:17 pm
when I was 15 all I wanted was anarchy…. now at 30 all I want is equity.
02.22.10 at 3:28 pm
this is the best fucking thing i’ve ever read. this is what i try to explain to all these fucking leftists and “liberals”. they arent really liberals, theyre libertarians, but vote democrat because they dont understand that their view points are more in line with ron paul than ted kennedy! plus, its fashionable to be a leftist. filled with righteousness and justice, supposedly, when its really about constricting every fucking whim you have, and the right are the ones (sans the religious right), that are trying to free everyone from being strangled by regulations and extra bullshit rules.
02.22.10 at 3:31 pm
If you haven’t read it already and are at all interested in this type of thinking, I’d highly recommend checking out for free on audio
http://mises.org/media.aspx?action=category&ID=143
walter blocks “defending the undefendable.” Gavin would probably disagree with some of the trade stuff (in the section “the importer”) and it’s hard for me personally to wrap my head around the idea of a blackmailer being a hero but it’s thought provoking.
not to be a creepy promoter guy but it’s fucking free anyway
02.22.10 at 3:53 pm
JANG is back!!!i was getting sick of billy cox being his half assed/earnest replacement.
02.22.10 at 4:01 pm
crusties suck
02.22.10 at 4:27 pm
The reason liberals love the gov’t is because they want free shit: free healthcare, food stamps, section 8 housing, etc. They want the government to be Mommy and Daddy and they want to be little poop-in-their-pants babies again except they want to live in NYC and party constantly while getting everything free. If the gubment extends unemployment forever, they won’t ever work again.
Also, it isn’t that they want the Gap’s money to go to the government, it is that they don’t want the Gap to have it. The liberal definition of greed is “Someone has more than I do and they aren’t giving the excess to me”.
02.22.10 at 4:30 pm
I wonder what shelter that dog ended up in.
02.22.10 at 5:06 pm
I wish they weren’t allowed to have puppies they never get them fixed and they end up breeding tons of other homeless dogs that just end up in overcrowded shelters as Vane$$a mentioned. It’s fucking irresponsible, like, be a gross dirtbag that nobody likes but you don’t have to drag a cute puppy down with you. ugh.
02.22.10 at 5:19 pm
PS. ANARCHY, GAVE THAT UP IN GRADE 8 ALONG WITH LISTENING TO NOFX, GET A JOB
02.22.10 at 5:19 pm
John Stossel’s best contribution to television was getting slapped by this guy in ‘84.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrX9Ca7LSyQ
02.22.10 at 6:10 pm
Free markets don’t work bitches.
02.22.10 at 6:24 pm
They work for my caste.
02.22.10 at 6:32 pm
The Olympics aren’t bringing shit to Vancouver except a big old debt and people who don’t understand “walk left, stand right” escalator etiquette at train stations.
02.22.10 at 6:36 pm
How the fuck did Larry Summers, Greenspan’s flunkie, end up running Obama’s economy with Geithner, another Greenspan/Goldman Sachs punk? Are these people suddenly for regulation? They sure as shit weren’t into it back in the 90s when they were busy wiping the floors of Congress with Brooksley Born’s ass. I thought that all those guys went to sleep at night with copies of Atlas Shrugged under their pillows. WTFing hell is going on here?
02.22.10 at 7:06 pm
Give me a break
02.22.10 at 7:20 pm
i truly feel sad for gavin, because you live in a world where perfectly reasonable and coherent ideas, such as pointing out the inefficiency of big government, is considered rogue and contrarian. Maybe you need to expand your social horizons?
02.22.10 at 7:28 pm
Aww, that brings back memories. I thought John Stossel was the greatest thing on TV when I was fourteen. Is 20/20 even on the air still?
…oh wait, did you say you were fourteen or forty? Jesus, there’s nothing sadder than a middle aged libertarian.
02.22.10 at 8:04 pm
I can agree with some of your points but I can never understand your xenophobia. Most economists agree that immigration is good for developed economies. As the standard of living rises, people start having less children. In America, where we have massive entitlement programs such as social security and Medicare, we need to worry about declining population rates. If we kicked out all the illegals then we would have to worry about supporting our aging population. Look at Japan. The thing that separates us from them is our comparatively open immigration policy.
02.22.10 at 8:46 pm
oh jesus. someone thinks that immigrants pay taxes.
02.22.10 at 9:46 pm
@bejeje -you are completely correct, I can vouch for this as someone who regularly travels to asia to work with factories on production.
@lol@u -yes they believe in a free market, but the rest of your comment is completely incorrect.
@finally , zwan -great link, ‘economics in one lesson’ would be a great read for most of the people in this discussion
02.22.10 at 10:05 pm
Anarchists want open borders because borders help keep the nation-state system in place. Why should I have to explain this? Do you know anything?
02.22.10 at 10:11 pm
Jesus, will you look at the fucking dumbass sitting there with his mutt at the top of this page? Look at that silly uniform! It’s like he’s a waiter at a fuck-nutz butt-hurt themed restaurant. “Hay guyz we gotta protest but first I need sufficient flair. More buttonz!” You pathetic trash, you look more fussy than a drag queen. There’s nothing more pathetic than punk. You’ll just end up being my driver someday.
02.22.10 at 10:57 pm
All you need to know about centralized government: the more power it has, the greater its capacity to fuck with peoples’ lives while stomping around the globe causing senseless wars.
02.22.10 at 11:53 pm
i only like the crazy, log cabin, self sufficient type libertarians, they’re some real shit. the rest are just selfish, whiny bitches.
punx is hippies.
02.23.10 at 2:48 am
read ‘the power elite’ by c. wright mills.
02.23.10 at 3:38 am
I think the only thing that really matters is sustainability, argue from that perspective and you have my attention, and if you dont then its just one unnecessary dogma over another.
02.23.10 at 4:20 am
Jesus, how many uneducated, unresearched, untested opinions can one group of Internets have? Oh, the GOVVY-D sucks huh? Try living without it. Libertarianism the way to go? Build a log cabin, bitch. Jesus, you fuckers. You realize this entire conversation is even possible because of the technology the motherfucking PENTAGON developed and made public? I hate you.
02.23.10 at 4:22 am
For such a serous topic it seems like everyone here, present company included, is more concerned with quipping and trying to out intelectualizerfy the previous comment….i think i just won.
02.23.10 at 4:24 am
The internet was founded on international science research group funded form a wide correction of independent international sources which operated at the cern research facility. It was developed beacuase of need for a high speed communication system between the computing netowrks used in this science. FUCK YOU ASSHOLE IM RIGHT YOU ARE WRONG AND YOU ARE A FAG WHO FUCKS MINORITIES AND EATS TONS OF KRAFT DINNER WHILE WATCHING AVATAR IN 8D.
02.23.10 at 4:29 am
*crossection…….yeah i read my posts so what…big fucken deal.
02.23.10 at 4:32 am
The internet was founded on international science research group funded form a wide crossection of independent international sources which operated at the cern research facility. It was developed beacuase of need for a high speed communication system between the computing netowrks used in this science. The rest of the comment in its original form was deleted because some asshole is to stupid to understand anything past his delicate sensibilities.
02.23.10 at 4:36 am
Huh i got some bad information maybe…..maybe not, the intertubes are mysterious in their steampunk construction.
02.23.10 at 4:37 am
@Im also on the left
It’s the government in bed with big business that is impeding any chance of sustainability in the first place. It’s quite obvious that it is necessary to fight against what stands in the way of attaining sustainability first. Don’t you fucking think before you speak? NOOB!
02.23.10 at 4:42 am
Of course i think!!! im a human, the most thinkiest things around and right now i think you are just being a big corporate jerk CEO. I bet you have never even tried to be non conformist in your life….personally im non conformist on several occasions during the day and sometimes i even drink coffee while doing it, and its no big deal, its not like im bragging about it or anything…its just a fact, like golden girls. Do yoursle a favor an read some douglas copeland, maybe THEN you will be able to really see the big picture.
02.23.10 at 4:46 am
Dude, I am so fucking non conformist that I make babies look conformist. As for your douglas copeland suggestion, it just confirms my suspicions about you being a closet conformist, not to mention a loser with poor literary taste. Oh yeah, and the only thing I am a CEO of is seeing right through your false veneer of non conformity. Go and suck uncle sam’s big dick some more you starbucks latte drinking conformist.
02.23.10 at 4:55 am
FUCK YOU ASSHOLE! seriously where do you get off calling me a conformist. We both know i can call you one because you are one but me….fraid not, totaly out of line dude. But ok, as for your other comments, my literary tastes are not poor. If you really get down into Copeland you see that his musings on day to day life in an IT environment is really a palindrome for the nudgent condition. Also i just finished reading my own posts again and i feel that im better for it, really good stuff.
02.23.10 at 4:58 am
NO, FUCK YOU ASSHOLE! I get off right about when I read your reply telling me that you are not a conformist and you like DC. That’s when I gizz my pants with glee at the chance to tear you down again. We all know that the nudgent condition is unverifiable and widely disputed to be a false state or rather, non existent. Anyone who thinks that the nudgent condition can exist in any environment is either an idiot or conspiracy theorist. I think in this case you are a member of the former group. Why don’t you read over your posts a few more times, maybe you will get a boner and then you will be all buffered up to read some more DC and jizz all over the pages of microserfs.
02.23.10 at 5:08 am
My girlfriend is touching my nipple, i have to leave this debate, you win and i fold on all my points except for the one about me being rad and right. I sure hope some of the monkeys reading this got something out of it…..the point being, your all a bunch of assholes. goodnight, i love you Hamm.
02.23.10 at 5:12 am
Have fun dude. I love you too lefty.
02.23.10 at 5:14 am
Ted Nudgent condition?
02.23.10 at 8:19 am
Is it just me or do crusties look strangely similar to leather gay dudes?
http://assets.236.com/images/photo2/2968/original/original.jpg
If that dude at the top of the post was on bourbon street on a friday night they wouldn’t think he was an anarchist is all Im saying.
02.23.10 at 8:24 am
Yikes, exhausting comedy routine from “I like Hamm/I’m also on the left”. It felt like the smug storm from that one South Park episode.
02.23.10 at 8:40 am
“Ted Nudgent condition?” holy shit thatmade me laugh
02.23.10 at 9:38 am
greenspan- you’re absolutely wrong. markets do work. the markets told us that betting on sub prime loans was a bad idea. what didn’t work was trying to save the people who made those bets. markets work, playing god with the market doesn’t work.
02.23.10 at 10:00 am
@ Courtney: what factory areas are you going to in China? lets go get fcked up at the KTV and watch young rural migrant worker girls get mauled by gross old factory owners while they pour our drinks and lose at the dice game on purpose.
I think most Anarchists, like most religious fundamentalists, are not really in it for the long haul, they’re just broke and angry.
Never trust an Anarchist who’s never worked in an office.
02.23.10 at 11:21 am
Y’all will keep arguing about reasons why, even after the next crash. Historians still argue about why Rome fell. Hard to steer a ship back on course when the crew don’t know where the helm is.
02.23.10 at 11:26 am
Where the fuck do you guys get information, the internet!? The internet’s development is one thing that is built on military-big science complex. It was a military funding, and groups of university students working on a decentralized communication system. Essentially, they wanted a system to transfer and store information that could not be blown up with one bomb as happened in the past when a radio tower was taken down.
It worked. We definitely need to give kudos to Military funding for even being able to have this conversation. The military paid computer manufacturers in the 80’s and early 90’s to install necessary components so that computers could potentially use the internet. Eventually they felt it was a money hole so they released the technology to the public.
Idjits.
02.23.10 at 11:42 am
“historians still argue about why Rome fell.”
no they don’t. rome fell when it “crossed the rubicon” from republic to empire
02.23.10 at 1:15 pm
^ rome fell cuz that shit was around for like 600 years!!! people who wonder y the roman empire ended r like people who cry at the end of marley and me:: they had a pretty fucking good run.
02.23.10 at 1:59 pm
Anarchists just want something to break because listening to The Unseen makes them horny and no women, besides the mustache clad punk women will touch their peckers. You think those materials on your crass patches are made from sunshine and freedom? I’m willing to bet that those jean vests probably came from some third world country and you paid good money for your Sony CD player…or rather, your parents probably did. All punks are nothing but jockey douchebags who will get a picket fence, dog, fat wife, and suburban home…nothing wrong with that, but at least get with reality and I won’t laugh at you next time I see you poking around in the vinyl section of a record store.
02.23.10 at 2:13 pm
First off let me list two true libertarian countries:
SOMALIA & LIBERIA
Second:
Anarchists smell like shit, yet generally come from middle to upper class families.
02.23.10 at 2:57 pm
yeah somalia is like as horrible as any other african country except they have no robert mugabe guy killing people and naming streets after themselves
02.23.10 at 3:05 pm
Viet Dong, you seem to have a pretty poor grasp of what ‘libertarianism’ is.
02.23.10 at 4:42 pm
UK era hong kong would be closer to the mark
02.23.10 at 4:48 pm
yall niggas postin in a troll thread dot jay peg
02.23.10 at 5:03 pm
Man fuck all’yall ya dont know shit about ARPANET
02.23.10 at 5:57 pm
almost nobody knows the truth behind 911/the subsequent invasion of iraq. the real story is much more alarming than any conspiracy theory i’ve seen floated out there and rooted in extreme incompetence at the highest levels of our govt. ignorant boobs ran things for 8 years. less ignorant boobs run it now, but not that much less.
and make no mistake, the highest ranking gop members would gladly see many of you starve or die of untended ailments than pass any comprehensive health care plan or benefits program. you have no idea how very little you matter to them.
02.23.10 at 6:32 pm
and most of the “elite rich”, the 1 percenters, did NOT come by their wealth in anything close to resembling a legal way. it is to laugh that anybody else in this country is prosecuted for theft of any kind. between the sheets, the truth comes out rather easily, and in an unapolagetically boastful manner, from those brilliant pigs.
02.23.10 at 6:39 pm
^^ yeh and robert mugabe is an ACTUAL ROBOT!!! hence the name, Robot Mugabe…
02.24.10 at 3:21 am
“Never trust an Anarchist who’s never worked in an office.”
Never trust a liberal who never worked in a bureaucratic government job.
02.24.10 at 3:48 am
Rise like Lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number,
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you
Ye are many – they are few
02.26.10 at 10:53 am
I reallt loved reading this
You should write more often
03.08.10 at 4:53 pm
nom nom
09.26.10 at 6:52 am